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post #871 of 9301

I think you've missed mine and Paradoxper's playful banter. ;) And clearly Greed stated it was essentially a power amp, but not a power amp. ;) And...I don't think anyone's getting overly worked up over the remote, or what the Rag is technically classified as. Either way this is still the closest thing to a Schiit thread that stays mildly on topic. :tongue:

 

-Daniel

post #872 of 9301

On topic ?  OK - how about I mention that if I get the Rag, I will be disappointed in having to wait for the hybrid version ... so I'm going to get the solid-state and glue my Lyr to the top instead ... :beerchug: 

post #873 of 9301

I was actually thinking that since I'm getting the Rag-I'll more than likely pick up the hybrid as well. And the Yggi. And a few fans for that 90+ lb. oven. Gosh I do hope they come in black from the get go...PLEASE.

 

-Daniel

post #874 of 9301

Here's an interesting one - given that we should all mindlessly speculate whilst awaiting new product :) ... what tube do you think the Hybrid will use ?  We know it's not the same as the Lyr ... I'm betting it will be a 6sn7 ...

post #875 of 9301

I'd bet it's going with the 6sn7 as well. Keeps in line w/ Schiits mantra of value-seeing as you can roll some pretty great 6sn7's for relatively cheap.

 

-Daniel

post #876 of 9301
No black, already asked.
post #877 of 9301
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Why should we have to? I think Jason and Schiit seems pretty responsive to customer feedback, and I think they should reconsider if they have chosen to skip a remote. They might add it as an upgrade option, e.g.

 

I think it has already been said. Adding remote function adds more cost and other production issues. This has nothing to do with Schiit's reputation for listening to their potential customers and supporters. 

 

Since most integrated amps on every price point ships with a remote, I believe Schiit is gonna miss many potential customers if they skip it. I understand it is an extra cost, but I am just saying that in my opinion they might loose many sales because of this decision. If they want to keep cost down on the basic unit, then they might add it as an upgrade. Jason says the Ragnarok is module based, and they are gonna offer a hybrid version. So I would guess a remote option would be possible, Lots of people would be willing to pay quite a bit for that. I am not a remote control freak myself, though, but it sure makes the unit more functional with a wider appeal. Also - if cost is the main issue, one shouldn't forget that scale of production also is a cost driver, so if they hypothetically sell twice as many Ragnaroks with remote than they would do without, then economics of scale might drive the per unit cost down. Basic economics, but of course this depends on the practical production methods and processes. 

 

Anyway, the Ragnarok seems to become a very nice product, and I applaud Jason for having such a high focus on value for money. All I am saying is that a remote is also value ;)

post #878 of 9301
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Since most integrated amps on every price point ships with a remote, I believe Schiit is gonna miss many potential customers if they skip it. I understand it is an extra cost, but I am just saying that in my opinion they might loose many sales because of this decision. If they want to keep cost down on the basic unit, then they might add it as an upgrade. Jason says the Ragnarok is module based, and they are gonna offer a hybrid version. So I would guess a remote option would be possible, Lots of people would be willing to pay quite a bit for that. I am not a remote control freak myself, though, but it sure makes the unit more functional with a wider appeal. Also - if cost is the main issue, one shouldn't forget that scale of production also is a cost driver, so if they hypothetically sell twice as many Ragnaroks with remote than they would do without, then economics of scale might drive the per unit cost down. Basic economics, but of course this depends on the practical production methods and processes. 

 

Anyway, the Ragnarok seems to become a very nice product, and I applaud Jason for having such a high focus on value for money. All I am saying is that a remote is also value ;)

 

Great point, I don't disagree. I would love a remote. I just don't think the design goal for the Rag is integrated amplifier status. I would guess it was a super high powered headphone amplifier that happens to have speaker outs for those that want to drive small speakers (or efficient ones). Just based on my experience, components with remotes usually have quite a bit of functionality. In this case, I don't see much of that (i.e no functionality other than output, input, volume and gain). In any event, having an "upgrade" for a remote module would be interesting and would please those that want a remote at an extra cost, and those that want the Rag for just headphones and desktop speakers at the cheaper cost.

 

Staying cool... :cool:

post #879 of 9301
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Great point, I don't disagree. I would love a remote. I just don't think the design goal for the Rag is integrated amplifier status. I would guess it was a super high powered headphone amplifier that happens to have speaker outs for those that want to drive small speakers (or efficient ones). Just based on my experience, components with remotes usually have quite a bit of functionality. In this case, I don't see much of that (i.e no functionality other than output, input, volume and gain). In any event, having an "upgrade" for a remote module would be interesting and would please those that want a remote at an extra cost, and those that want the Rag for just headphones and desktop speakers at the cheaper cost.

 

Staying cool... :cool:

 

The functionality is as you say volume (which is the only thing I ever use an amp remote for, basically), inputs, gain and output (speaker only, headphones only and both) 

 

However, I most integrated have no more functionality, so I dont agree that this makes it remote-prone. 

 

The possibility to mute outputs in a variety of ways as you like is a very functional thing indeed, I am very annoyed with the range of headphone amps with pre-outs that aren't mutable. 

post #880 of 9301
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The functionality is as you say volume (which is the only thing I ever use an amp remote for, basically), inputs, gain and output (speaker only, headphones only and both) 

 

However, I most integrated have no more functionality, so I dont agree that this makes it remote-prone. 

 

The possibility to mute outputs in a variety of ways as you like is a very functional thing indeed, I am very annoyed with the range of headphone amps with pre-outs that aren't mutable. 

 

I was thinking more along the lines of integrated amps with other functions such as phono, tuner, recorder, tape, cd, etc. Also with things like line-outs. I don't think the Rag should be remote-prone, but just that it isn't one of those things that a budget minded operation would think about including. I do agree, mute would be a great function if a remote is included. 

post #881 of 9301

I personally only hope that it will have a perfect synergy with HD 800, and many others would be very happy about that. A remote would be cool, but I would personally prefer to invest more time into better sound than accessories.

post #882 of 9301
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I was thinking more along the lines of integrated amps with other functions such as phono, tuner, recorder, tape, cd, etc. Also with things like line-outs. I don't think the Rag should be remote-prone, but just that it isn't one of those things that a budget minded operation would think about including. I do agree, mute would be a great function if a remote is included. 

 

I hear you, you are of course rght that some of the more advanced amps (which I tend to avoid) have more functions. Basically, I think we agree :)

 

All I want is a remote for the volume, up and down. A bonus would be "mute", maybe one for the "input"- and "output"-selections. 

post #883 of 9301
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I personally only hope that it will have a perfect synergy with HD 800, and many others would be very happy about that. A remote would be cool, but I would personally prefer to invest more time into better sound than accessories.

 

You think audio quality is more important than remotes?!?!? 

post #884 of 9301

Goodness, look at what I started...

 

I have been thinking of the Rag (Scott Joplin Special Edition, anyone?) as an integrated - i.e. with multiple inputs and easy switching between them. (As opposed to the Mjolnir with its rear panel toggle.) That's what many contemporary integrateds are - power amps with a selector. The rise of DACs with volume control, and the elimination of the phono stage have obsoleted the traditional pre-amp/first stage of the integrated.

 

So if the Rag is supposed to be a stand-alone unit, a remote makes sense for a lot of users. It could be an option or an add-on. See Bifrost vs. Uber Bifrost. But if the Rag has only one input (or one usable at a time,) then volume and other functions can be controlled somewhere else.

 

Of course I'm gonna get one either way.

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Goodness, look at what I started...

 

It's head-fi, you know... 

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