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It's very much a chicken & egg problem for DSD...

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It's very much a chicken & egg problem for DSD...

 

It always is.

 

It was for quadraphonic.

 

It was for reel to reel.

 

It was for elCassette.

 

It was for HDCD. 

 

It was for DVD-Audio.

 

It was for SACD.

 

It is for DSD, and DSD 2X, and DXD, and all the other unicorn formats out there. 

 

Software is always the problem. And that's not getting into how many SACDs were upsampled from PCM, or trying to count the number of "pure DSD" recordings that have never been edited in PCM. There are very, very few of those.

 

However, there is a lot of current interest on DSD, so we have to provide an answer for it. We will be announcing our answer in the next week or so. And that's all I can really say about that, other than it doesn't affect any current upgrades to Bifrost or Gungnir, nor will it involve sending Bifrost or Gungnir back in to us for changes.

 

Sorry to be mysterious, but all will be revealed shortly.

post #558 of 2595
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It's very much a chicken & egg problem for DSD...

Seems to me more like many egg crate manufacturers when there aren't that many chickens or even eggs around.... Anyhow, back on topic...?
post #559 of 2595
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Seems to me more like many egg crate manufacturers when there aren't that many chickens or even eggs around.... 

 

Bingo. Mike Moffat thinks it's because the press is fundamentally bored, so any new format, especially one that elevates "audiophilia" from "the common man" will be shouted from the rooftops. Personally, I think that the real issue is compressed vs uncompressed formats. The reality is that 99% of music is bought as AAC/MP3, because that's what's out there, and because it's easy. 

 

Tell someone, "Hey, you know, 16/44 uncompressed is even better but there's also 24/96 for some stuff, and a bit of 24/192, and you can also go DSD or DSD 2x, but you need 24/384 capability for that, and then there's DXD and DSD 4x..." and they'll look at you like you've lost your head and go back to buying from iTunes.

 

If there was one, single, accepted "step up" standard, say 24/96, sold at a premium through the standard channels, we might get somewhere. But with so many different variations, it's not going to happen. DSD and its variants just compound the problem.

 

Sorry, yes, back on topic. Looking forward to bringing Ragnarok to RMAF!

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Edited by Cristello - 9/5/13 at 10:11am
post #561 of 2595

The single step up standard is called 16 bit flac. Anything beyond that is very heavily debatable for good reason.

post #562 of 2595

Correct me If im Wrong but as far as i know, while there are higher than 24/96 decoders, there are no higher than 24/96 encoders. So every song that is recorded in a Studio has that cap for its real quality (im guessing electronic music could go higher in this case).

 

I remmber reading something about it while randomly googling stuff about music.

 

What im trying to say is that i Guess there is a limit to how "good" things can actually sound, based on the encoding/compression.

 

Frankly, anything over 160 kbps mp3 is quite good for me, as long as its a good quality recording.

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Quick Google search found 32/384 ADCs from common manufacturers.  But I do believe that 24/96 is most common for studio use.

post #564 of 2595

Any news, of when one can order a Ragnarok?

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Correct me If im Wrong but as far as i know, while there are higher than 24/96 decoders, there are no higher than 24/96 encoders. So every song that is recorded in a Studio has that cap for its real quality (im guessing electronic music could go higher in this case).

 

192kHz is the highest sampling rate supported by Pro Tools, the industry leading software.  There are all sorts of arguments that 24/96 is ideal and 192 actually degrades audio performance but let's stay on topic :)  The point is, I"m sure the statement Schiit will support any need.


Edited by azteca x - 9/27/13 at 5:46am
post #566 of 2595

Been very interested in this DAC since it's mention some time ago. Could be a real contender. 

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Been very interested in this DAC since it's mention some time ago. Could be a real contender. 

 

you're not the only one... i wonder which other dac is schiit working on... 

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you're not the only one... i wonder which other dac is schiit working on... 

There's another one in the works??

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There's another one in the works??

 

                     

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There's another one in the works??

 

                     

 

I think he's referring to things like the Loki, not necessarily big amps like the Rag or Mjolnir

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