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post #2491 of 9301
That would be R2R. Damn auto font
post #2492 of 9301
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

It would be interesting if it was a R2-D2 design, but unfortunately it's using multi-bit. Wouldn't be worth the wait imo.
 

An R2-D2 design would have way too much jitter and you will only be able to listen to the last 5 seconds of the track in an endless loop. I agree, not worth waiting for either. :p

 

post #2493 of 9301
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

It would be interesting if it was a R2-D2 design, but unfortunately it's using multi-bit. Wouldn't be worth the wait imo.
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

That would be R2R. Damn auto font

 

But in all seriousness, this design is both R2R and multibit, the terms are used interchangeably, so I don't quite understand your criticism.

post #2494 of 9301
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

It would be interesting if it was a R2-D2 design, but unfortunately it's using multi-bit. Wouldn't be worth the wait imo.

 

R2R is mulitbit...there are other kinds/styles of mulitbit dacs as well

post #2495 of 9301
Hello SoupRKnowa!
post #2496 of 9301
That was a mistake. Yes multi bit is R2R and as along as the filters are well implemented and the power is absoluetely clean relating to blacker backround, it should sound better than commercial delta sigma chips like ESS etc.

I have a feeling that the Ygg is going to be compared to the Hugo which uses delta sigma with fpga clocking etc so it should be a good comparison.


One thing to note is that R2R designs generally have problems with linearity and noise, so i kinda get why the thing weighs 35 lbs.. most likely on psus.

One thing to note in general is that R2R designs are used in the expensive dacs nowadays and is generally said to have a more live characteristic than delta sigma chips... but ofcourse out of the comparisons, they were reffering to ESS Sabre chips in general which i hate as well...

A delta sigma used with customized fpga can sound significantly different like the Chord Hugo which do not sound dead or mettalic at all like the Sabre chips.

Considering that the Hugo is reported to be better than 5k Naim dac with external Psu which use multi bit R2R, it will be very interesying to see which should better when the Ygg is released.

Given the fact that R2R designs do not take much engineering to sound good compared to a good delta sigma dacs, i really have no clue why Schitt is taking so long to come out with their DAC.
post #2497 of 9301
^ Indeed, we would have no clue as we're not the designers and manufacturers!

Well, one clue perhaps - see this post from Mike in Jason's Schiit happened thread...
post #2498 of 9301
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

It would be interesting if it was a R2-D2 design, but unfortunately it's using multi-bit. Wouldn't be worth the wait imo.


I'm sure glad I don't hear acronyms when I listen to my headphones.

post #2499 of 9301
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

Given the fact that R2R designs do not take much engineering to sound good compared to a good delta sigma dacs, i really have no clue why Schitt is taking so long to come out with their DAC.

 

Another hint (thanks, AiDee, for the other): http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up/1365#post_10631927

 

And...since it's a "fact" that it "doesn't take much engineering" to make an R2R DAC sound good, I'd be interested in your engineering CV, as well as a list of DACs you have designed, in order to understand your perspective on this matter.

post #2500 of 9301
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post

Another hint (thanks, AiDee, for the other): http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up/1365#post_10631927

And...since it's a "fact" that it "doesn't take much engineering" to make an R2R DAC sound good, I'd be interested in your engineering CV, as well as a list of DACs you have designed, in order to understand your perspective on this matter.

He meant R2-D2 DAC design. With all the bleeps and bloops.
post #2501 of 9301
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Originally Posted by SearchOfSub View Post

That was a mistake. Yes multi bit is R2R and as along as the filters are well implemented and the power is absoluetely clean relating to blacker backround, it should sound better than commercial delta sigma chips like ESS etc.

I have a feeling that the Ygg is going to be compared to the Hugo which uses delta sigma with fpga clocking etc so it should be a good comparison.


One thing to note is that R2R designs generally have problems with linearity and noise, so i kinda get why the thing weighs 35 lbs.. most likely on psus.

One thing to note in general is that R2R designs are used in the expensive dacs nowadays and is generally said to have a more live characteristic than delta sigma chips... but ofcourse out of the comparisons, they were reffering to ESS Sabre chips in general which i hate as well...

A delta sigma used with customized fpga can sound significantly different like the Chord Hugo which do not sound dead or mettalic at all like the Sabre chips.

Considering that the Hugo is reported to be better than 5k Naim dac with external Psu which use multi bit R2R, it will be very interesying to see which should better when the Ygg is released.

Given the fact that R2R designs do not take much engineering to sound good compared to a good delta sigma dacs, i really have no clue why Schitt is taking so long to come out with their DAC.

Seriously dude, can you stop talking about things you really don't understand? It's getting to be almost painful watching this...
post #2502 of 9301
What is wrong with the post? It all correct info as far as i am concerned.
post #2503 of 9301

It is not painful. It's quite fun and entertaining to read. This has been a good source for some laugh.

 

That said, such silly posts will be made until the product is actually open for the order.....  I guess Rag's time has almost come, but for Ygg, silliness and absurdity will continue throughout this summer and early fall.

 

 

Well, if Ygg actually releases this year, that is.

post #2504 of 9301

The Hugo doesn't use a regular Sigma Delta DAC for one.

post #2505 of 9301
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
 

The Hugo doesn't use a regular Sigma Delta DAC for one.

 

I for one is very interested in the Yggy after experiencing the Hugo.... With more processing speed/capacity available at cheaper cost, could we be seeing more DAC/algorithm designers like Mike or Rob Watts giving us products that aren't based on the same "frozen food" off the shelf SD chips....

 

If only Jason will do another round of black schitt version of Yggy/Rag I'm willing to pay NOW and wait until whenever they are produced.  Maybe Jason should at least start the "interest list" for these? ;)

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