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post #2281 of 9301
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post
 

 

 

What you will see from us is more fun, high-value, interesting and groundbreaking stuff at affordable price points. And yes, there'll be some surprises in where we go and what we do.

 

 

A good great USB converter at an afforable price is needed badly.

post #2282 of 9301
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Buy this for $44.50 to set on your stereo rack, and wait for the Yiggy. It has two ping-pong ball knobs. One more than the Vega.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BZ3207P-Full-Aluminum-Enclosure-chassis-preamp-case-Power-amp-box-/400523705862?pt=US_Amplifier_Parts_Components&hash=item5d4112be06

I could put my little el cheapo DAC in there while I wait for Yggy! :beerchug:

post #2283 of 9301
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A good great USB converter at an afforable price is needed badly.

Why, when it's always going to be inferior to USB implemented in the DAC, converting USB straight to I2S?

 

Serious question. I've never understood the fascination with USB-->SPDIF-->SPDIF Receiver (and all of its associated warts)-->I2S. You're still bound by the constraints of the SPDIF receiver.

post #2284 of 9301

There's no external standard for I2S if I'm not mistaken, and the novelty of USB to spdif allows users to get mileage out of their existing dacs with a modern front-end.

 

That being said, I think for the complex functionality that USB to SPDIF offers, on top of the brute-forcing that designers have to put in to get good performance out of SPDIF in the first place, the price is pretty reasonable.

post #2285 of 9301

Not "always" inferior.

 

Some USB DAC implementations are a crap shoot, some drivers are awful to deal with, some are noisy / dirty.  Some of the good converters will send a re-clocked, clean single to the SPDIF receiver.  

 

Anyway - I use AES because of placement and multiple DACs- so I need a converter and one driver.


Edited by preproman - 6/23/14 at 1:37pm
post #2286 of 9301

I think you're speaking to issues with different implementations of the USB data solution, but I'd wager that from an architectural perspective Jason is correct. USB to SPDIF is essentially just an extra step to make your converter play nice with existing hardware. AES is even more esoteric, with less support- it's supposed to be 110 ohms nominally right? I wonder how many DACs with an AES input implement that impedance properly.

post #2287 of 9301
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I could put my little el cheapo DAC in there while I wait for Yggy! beerchug.gif

Perfect!
post #2288 of 9301
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Not "always" inferior.

 

Some USB DAC implementations are a crap shoot, some drivers are awful to deal with, some are noisy / dirty.  Some of the good converters will send a re-clocked, clean single to the SPDIF receiver.  

 

Yep, I was talking "same DAC," (and, to be totally honest, "same Schiit DAC.")

 

Understood there are some bad USB implementations out there. However, with the addressable market shrinking (nobody will be using anything other than CMedia, XMOS, or similar high-performance USB input in future DACs), I simply don't think we're going to spend the time on it. Sorry.

post #2289 of 9301
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post
 

 

When the products are released, they'll have full specs. Which will pretty much have nothing to do with the way they sound.


More and more I like this guy. And I liked him plenty already.

post #2290 of 9301
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I think you're speaking to issues with different implementations of the USB data solution, 

 

Oh yeah....  In what way?

post #2291 of 9301
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Not "always" inferior.

Some USB DAC implementations are a crap shoot, some drivers are awful to deal with, some are noisy / dirty.  Some of the good converters will send a re-clocked, clean single to the SPDIF receiver.  

Yep, I was talking "same DAC," (and, to be totally honest, "same Schiit DAC.")

Understood there are some bad USB implementations out there. However, with the addressable market shrinking (nobody will be using anything other than CMedia, XMOS, or similar high-performance USB input in future DACs), I simply don't think we're going to spend the time on it. Sorry.

I really do not think the market is shrinking fast enough to not warrant consideration of usb converter. Also, there are tons of old DACs that do not have usb input at all in the first place.

A reasonably priced usb converter can bring back lives of otherwise obsolated DACs as computer-based audio system components.

I see sea of those DACs in sale, yet not many of them are sold because of no usb input. Market is there, and it won't disappear anytime soon.
post #2292 of 9301
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See the post above about audiophila nervosa increasing exponentially with cost. We're here to have fun, not serve as proxy psychologists. Low-cost products are fun. High-cost products tend to attract the nutters who need 2 hours of phone time per day to help justify their purchase. 

 

We don't give one single schiit about what some self-appointed Keepers of What Is Right and Pure think about our prices or our name. They're losing out. But we're winning by not having them as customers. As I've told the press more than once, the name is an excellent "butthead filter." If someone doesn't have a sense of humor, they're probably not going to consider our products. And that, believe me, is absolutely fine by us.

 

Screening customers makes lots of sense...my wife used to work in the higher end jewelry business as 'national sales manager' and they joked about how they should have %$#hole surcharge.  Not that they did....but they did screen for crazy wholesalers and people who needed too much hand holding.  Some people, even if they were know to pay basically on time -- the other big issue -- didn't get accounts.  This did mean less business in NY suburbs.  

post #2293 of 9301
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Originally Posted by NoPants View Post
 

I think you're speaking to issues with different implementations of the USB data solution, but I'd wager that from an architectural perspective Jason is correct. USB to SPDIF is essentially just an extra step to make your converter play nice with existing hardware. AES is even more esoteric, with less support- it's supposed to be 110 ohms nominally right? I wonder how many DACs with an AES input implement that impedance properly.

 

A straight foward 110 to 75Ω impedance transformer AES/BNC adapter connector (or vice versa) is a cheap no-brainer if necessary.  AFAIK I don't think there's any signal degradation.

 

As for as DAC output signal quality difference, I've not yet experienced any significant quality increase using AES/EBU input over BNC.  BNC input over RCA, yes.  I2S input over S/PDIF (all), yes.

post #2294 of 9301

the audio market is a lot like the dietary supplement market, except at least it's not risky to your health.

 

DAC's are a solved problem, it's been proven time and time again that a $2 IC can sound just as neutrally transparent as a $2k+ Boutique DAC in blind tests.

 

Yet no matter what, people will always want to think there is better sound out there.

post #2295 of 9301
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Originally Posted by OICWUTUDIDTHAR View Post
 

the audio market is a lot like the dietary supplement market, except at least it's not risky to your health.

 

DAC's are a solved problem, it's been proven time and time again that a $2 IC can sound just as neutrally transparent as a $2k+ Boutique DAC in blind tests.

 

Yet no matter what, people will always want to think there is better sound out there.

I see you're looking for a Gungnir...

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