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post #2191 of 9330

Ok lets all relax :beerchug:

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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post

I'm sorry if you were offended by my rather innocent question, I didn't mean to offend anyone, I really want to get the Ragnarok as soon as possible (And soon enough maybe even becoming a local dealer for them). Also I didn't mean the part with the LCD-3 having some updates that put me off, for what's it worth, I'm not going to "upgrade" this since I've heard a bit of the LCD-3 with the Fazors and I didn't feel that it was an upgrade, even the person with the LCD-3's said that he liked my LCD-3 better wink.gif

and FWIW I didn't know for how long Lyr was around, so sorry... I thought it was fairly recent.

You especially took it rather hard I see...

I'm not offended, but I think it would have been worth the 2 minutes of research it took to see just how 'stable' Schiit products have been before accusing them of using early adopters as 'Beta Testers'. Quite the opposite; they have gone out of their way to correct any issues early adopters have faced. Every electronics company strives to improve their products. If they didn't, they'd stagnate and die. There will ALWAYS be a latest and greatest...and unless you want to play the constant upgrade game, there's always the chance you'll have the 'last generation' model.
post #2193 of 9330
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Originally Posted by leesure View Post


Then he should go bitch in the LCD-3 thread. He also specifically referenced Schiit as an 'offender' with the Lyr...an amp that remained 'stable' for three years. Its like crying to Apple because you bought an iMac and they updated the processor afterwards.

And FWIW, for a reasonable fee Audeze will update his LCD-3's to the Fazor version.

 

Go bitch, hey? How eloquent...

post #2194 of 9330
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

 

I'm not talking about making upgrades in the future, I'm talking about immediate changes that will make people who bought it earlier... that's like taking a bet that it's finished for sure or it's not and early buyers are beta testers.

 

That comes under the heading of "patience is rewarded".  Best way to minimize that is to refrain from applying consumer pressure constantly to get them to release the product, mayhaps prematurely.  You pretty much reap what you sow.

 

The other thing to keep in mind is that whatever the mark/mod, the product is still serviceable, audiophilia wise.  You just have to make a decision whether the subsequent upgrade or revision is worth it to you.  Or really exercise patience and arbitrarily wait another year for product seasoning before buying.  That'll do it in almost all cases, unless there's a brand new product in the works that promises to take it to a whole 'nother level...  :wink:  

post #2195 of 9330

In all fairness, Schiit has been known to rework the PCB on their products without any formal announcement, now whether this has any noticeable change on performance is another discussion. If you look at the PCBs, they have version numbers on them (e.g. 1.4 vs 1.2) and these can vary all within the same "product line" depending on when you purchased it. AFAIK there is no system in place to update your "version number".

post #2196 of 9330
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Originally Posted by rocksteady65 View Post

Go bitch, hey? How eloquent...

Gosh, thanks! And thank you so much for your relevant contribution!
post #2197 of 9330
Being an early adopter is always a risk. Less so with Schiit though, as the customer satisfaction is #1 priority for them.
post #2198 of 9330
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Originally Posted by jacal01 View Post
 

 

That comes under the heading of "patience is rewarded".  Best way to minimize that is to refrain from applying consumer pressure constantly to get them to release the product, mayhaps prematurely.  You pretty much reap what you sow.

 

The other thing to keep in mind is that whatever the mark/mod, the product is still serviceable, audiophilia wise.  You just have to make a decision whether the subsequent upgrade or revision is worth it to you.  Or really exercise patience and arbitrarily wait another year for product seasoning before buying.  That'll do it in almost all cases, unless there's a brand new product in the works that promises to take it to a whole 'nother level...  :wink:  

 

Well that's exactly the part why I want to upgrade to Ragnarok.

post #2199 of 9330

Well then you're pretty much hooped.  :wink:

post #2200 of 9330
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Originally Posted by EraserXIV View Post

In all fairness, Schiit has been known to rework the PCB on their products without any formal announcement, now whether this has any noticeable change on performance is another discussion. If you look at the PCBs, they have version numbers on them (e.g. 1.4 vs 1.2) and these can vary all within the same "product line" depending on when you purchased it. AFAIK there is no system in place to update your "version number".

As long as specs remain the same, does it really matter? OCD in one might object, but still...

Anyway, I only buy stuff well in production for at least a year (or at least few months for smartphones and computer parts).
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Gosh, thanks! And thank you so much for your relevant contribution!

 You're welcome! Relevant, as in opposition to yours, perhaps? it's all a matter of opinion...

post #2202 of 9330
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Originally Posted by rocksteady65 View Post

 You're welcome! Relevant, as in opposition to yours, perhaps? it's all a matter of opinion...

Hmmmm. Let's see. One post addressed an on-topic conversation regarding the relative 'stability' of the products referenced in this thread. The other post addressed the verbiage used in one portion of one comment to insinuate a lack of eloquence on the part of the commentor; this despite copious evidence to the contrary.
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post

Well that's exactly the part why I want to upgrade to Ragnarok.

So, you have decided based on the brief audition of a preproduction model by a few forum members that the Ragnarok is so revolutionary that it will justify all this angst? Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the brief time that I had listening to the amp, but I would not let my stomach get this upset over it. If you don't want the risks associated with being an early adopter, then wait a few months. Problem solved.
Edited by leesure - 6/16/14 at 2:43pm
post #2203 of 9330

I'll wait for Jude's video review, and if Ragnarok is out by then I will get my things together and get it, if not... or maybe I should say I'm thinking sometime around August would be a good time cause I'm getting some extra money.

 

And based on information about the amp, it's supposedly using similar topology to Mjolnir which is one of the amps that's considered to be top for my LCD-3's, and because Ragnarok is supposed to be even better... and have more features (I love the idea of having both balanced and single-ended outputs as well as if I  need to use it with speakers as well, in fact, one of the first things I'll try it with is the Floorstanders here)

 

There are 2 problematic parts, one is the size, the other is the stepped attenuation which means clicks and no micro volume management, though that might not be a problem or based on what others are saying, stepped attenuation apparently is even better.

 

Oh well, we'll wait and see... I just hope it won't be as bright as this BHA-1 amp, I don't know if I have bad experience with this BHA-1 amp because they didn't set it up properly or if it really was that bright :D

 

Speaking of which, what about brightness part of Ragnarok? :D

post #2204 of 9330
Like I said you do not sound like an early adopter to me. Wait a while.
post #2205 of 9330
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Originally Posted by XVampireX View Post
 

 

 

Speaking of which, what about brightness part of Ragnarok? :D

 

I'm pretty sensitive to brightness as well.  In the brief time I was able to audition the Ragnarok in a quiet room, I did not find it bright with my LCD-X's.  But gain, this was a pre-production unit and a 45 minute audition.  Jason did say that the transformer swap that was planned before the units go full-on production would likely yield sweeter treble, rather than brighter.

 

That said, you should endeavor, if possible, to hear one yourself before you decide.  

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