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post #1711 of 2626
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post

No, it's no I'm afraid wink.gif

Current is flow of electrons (as I'm sure you know) but torque is a force, a twisting force to be precise.

The SI unit for torque is Nm (newton meter). It is the amount of rotating force you get when you apply 1N to a 1m long rod.

1N in turn is the same as 1 kg*m/s².

That is to say it is the force required to accelerate 1kg at a rate of 1m/s.

All very interesting I'm sure rolleyes.gif

Your post just shook something loose:
Voltage is also called EMF.
EMF is Electromotive Force, so it is the force that moves the electrons!

Anyway, I agree, can't see torque being analogous to current! beerchug.gif
post #1712 of 2626
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I'm a lot less worried about people like Jude, where the conflict of interest is out in the open, than forum members with undisclosed interests that give glowing reviews. There are forum members that get equipment and other forms of compensation and never disclose the fact when they post about a product.

 

I'm seeing shills popping up on product impression threads around here, sometimes not even the same or related product as the one(s) he's pushing with his glowing impressions or competing product comparisons.  In the latter instances, he's touting his complementing product (say like amp on a DAC thread) against other comparable competitors that some poster has introduced for member feedback, thereby steering the potential market towards of the product he's pushing, and at the expense of less expensive but equally good and maybe even superior alternate products in the same price range.

 

Fairly obvious to forum veterans, perhaps, but the noob posters looking for gospel opinions for their purchase decisions are completely taken in by these "impartial" postings by an ostensive expert fellow member and consumer.

 

I'm assuming that he's been commissioned by that manufacturer to do some of that "micromarketing" that Jason alluded to. 

post #1713 of 2626
Pretty sure Schiit has enough popularity here that they don't need anyone to shill for them (and it'd kind of go against their principals to do so anyways).

If anything it sounds like it might be an over-enthusiastic owner?
post #1714 of 2626

Thanks jude for your impressions! I'll have to read 3-4 more reviews, then if Ragnarok will be declared to be overall better than B22, I'll officially apply for a bank loan :rolleyes:.

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Pretty sure Schiit has enough popularity here that they don't need anyone to shill for them (and it'd kind of go against their principals to do so anyways).

If anything it sounds like it might be an over-enthusiastic owner?

 

No, methinks Schiit likes to keep its overhead low.  :wink:

 

It's actually pretty obvious by his posting frequency, uniformly over-the-top glowing impressions, and/or consistent agenda of his product against all comers, and usually packing some kind of "expert" poster tag credentials to lull the gullible.  I know of two instances where their heavy-handed machinations are about as subtle as a Mack truck, at least to me, but somehow the newbie buyers and potential buyers remain completely oblivious to it.


Edited by jacal01 - 5/7/14 at 5:25pm
post #1716 of 2626
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Originally Posted by Pidgeon View Post
 

Thanks jude for your impressions! I'll have to read 3-4 more reviews, then if Ragnarok will be declared to be overall better than B22, I'll officially apply for a bank loan :rolleyes:.

Most likely the Rag would be much better than the B22 on all levels..

post #1717 of 2626
Seems like a pretty serious accusation, honestly, and one I'm not inclined to believe. Considering the size of the community I'd think it's more likely an over-enthusiastic fanboy, but without more details, who knows.

I would say that it would be rather counter to their public stance of no hard-sell tactics or comparisons if it were the case, which is why I remain skeptical.
post #1718 of 2626
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Your post just shook something loose:
Voltage is also called EMF.
EMF is Electromotive Force, so it is the force that moves the electrons!
EMF is actually quite sloppy when talking about voltage, which is why EE's do not refer to Voltage as EMF. The electric field provides the force. The voltage is just the electrical potential difference between two points.

So it's the E-field that moves the electrons, not voltage.
post #1719 of 2626
I'll be pretty impressed if the Ragnarok can properly drive the LS50's. They are surprisingly power hungry for their size.

@jude great work as usual Jude! Could you possibly slip the TH900 into the mix. I'm curious about how it handles them as well. Thanks.
post #1720 of 2626
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Originally Posted by superjawes View Post

EMF is actually quite sloppy when talking about voltage, which is why EE's do not refer to Voltage as EMF. The electric field provides the force. The voltage is just the electrical potential difference between two points.

So it's the E-field that moves the electrons, not voltage.

Except for me...tongue.gif

Fair enough, but electric field is created by voltage.
post #1721 of 2626
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Except for me...tongue.gif

Fair enough, but electric field is created by voltage.
No, that would be the charge, current, or time-varying magnetic field. Voltage is essentially a measurement in the E-field, but it is very convenient when using circuit approximations.
post #1722 of 2626

The bigger question is what an electron, and an electric field, really is.

 

We know it's a subatomic particle. We now we like to think of it as "negative". And we now we like to build little highways for our electrons, called circuits, and by letting them whizz around there we can do all kinds of fancy stuff like heat up wires (lightbulb, owen) or induce magnetic fields to move things around (speakers, motors).

 

But is it really "negative". Positive and negative are just words which we've attached to a phenomena to make it easier to think about it. But what is an electron really? And why should that little bastard over there be attracted to some other little thing there, called a proton, which we like to think of as "positive"?

 

Riddle me this... riddle me that.... :rolleyes:

 

Like with so many things in science we don't know the why, but we observe and create our little theorems thinking that we've understood something.

 

And every once in a while some human comes along and builds an amplifier and listens to barbie girl, but hey such is life.

 

(I think I should call it a night already, I've clearly had enough of my trippy pills)


Edited by TwoEars - 5/7/14 at 6:46pm
post #1723 of 2626
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Most likely the Rag would be much better than the B22 on all levels..

This is what I'd like it to be, but I need to hear MOAR impressions! :D

post #1724 of 2626
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Originally Posted by superjawes View Post


No, that would be the charge, current, or time-varying magnetic field. Voltage is essentially a measurement in the E-field, but it is very convenient when using circuit approximations.

 

When one plate of a capacitor is at X Volts and the other plate is at -X volts, then between two plates of a capacitor you get an electric field.

You sound like a physicist, not an Engineer. 

post #1725 of 2626
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Originally Posted by jacal01 View Post
 

 

I'm seeing shills popping up on product impression threads around here, sometimes not even the same or related product as the one(s) he's pushing with his glowing impressions or competing product comparisons.  In the latter instances, he's touting his complementing product (say like amp on a DAC thread) against other comparable competitors that some poster has introduced for member feedback, thereby steering the potential market towards of the product he's pushing, and at the expense of less expensive but equally good and maybe even superior alternate products in the same price range.

 

Fairly obvious to forum veterans, perhaps, but the noob posters looking for gospel opinions for their purchase decisions are completely taken in by these "impartial" postings by an ostensive expert fellow member and consumer.

 

I'm assuming that he's been commissioned by that manufacturer to do some of that "micromarketing" that Jason alluded to. 

 

It's all about maintaining a filter, but I get offended when I see some of really blatant sock-puppets on sites like Amazon : in some cases, posting completely BS 'reviews' simply to drag down the competition's overall rating. I've seen examples that were obviously taken from templates - complete with spelling and grammar errors - and in the most pathetic cases they haven't even nailed the name of the product/company they are trying to endorse or slander. At least the aforementioned 'shills' on HF put a lot of effort into those glowing impressions, and I still maintain that there are four or five longtimers here whose opinions I feel I can place some stock in. Anyone who races out any buys a ~2K amp based purely on a set of impressions only has themselves to blame if it doesn't meet expectations. A well written review - whether you agree with the reviewer or not - is far more entertaining than 98% of the prose I encounter on the web and almost as good as pictures of scantily clad women  ;)

 

If sock puppets and blatant shills are the future of product marketing, I'll pass. 

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