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post #1111 of 9301

Fancy chips, circuits, processes and programming may all be well and dandy but let's not forget that at some point in the chain you still have to convert digital ones and zeros to an analogue electrical signal...

 

... and that's where it gets really interesting.

post #1112 of 9301
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I don't care about DSD really, all i care about is it sounding good. If it can compete with the WFS DAC2 and maybe the NAD M51 then i will be happy. 

 

PS audio just made the PWD MK2 2000 dollars so it will have to compete there as well. 

 

I really hope that it will be a contender against those DAC's because i like the company and their products look great. 

I would like to upgrade to YGGD i just hope people don't report back that its harsh and bright, i suppose lets just wait and see. 


The Gungnir already competes with the M51 and PWD MK2--the differences between these three are very subtle. The Yggdrasil needs to offer audibly better performance to justify the size and price--or at the very least, a novel and killer set of features.

post #1113 of 9301
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The Gungnir already competes with the M51 and PWD MK2--the differences between these three are very subtle. The Yggdrasil needs to offer audibly better performance to justify the size and price--or at the very least, a novel and killer set of features.

 

As with most audio, the differences are rarely black and white, but more often just shades of gray.

post #1114 of 9301

People, lets vote for a DSD/DXD upgrade on Yggdrasil as an option, like they do with usb/uber upgrades.

 

 

By the way, cause I have the Lyr, I'll most likely get that stack, starting with the DAC. Jason/Mike, hear me out and hurry already (Or make this a perfect release!)

post #1115 of 9301

@mab

Yes, this is why so many middle-aged women lust over audio gear.

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As with most audio, the differences are rarely black and white, but more often just shades of gray.

 

 

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@mab

Yes, this is why so many middle-aged women lust over audio gear.

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RIM SHOT !!!!!!!!!  hahahahaha

 

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post #1118 of 9301
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People, lets vote for a DSD/DXD upgrade on Yggdrasil as an option, like they do with usb/uber upgrades.

 

 

Kinda already did (was a sizable thread about all Schiit, not just Ygg).  Not happening in the Ygg, will be a separate solution (Loki, best I can tell) was the word then, and haven't seen anything since to change that.

 

BTW, FPGA - A costly enough FPGA is probably going to do better than a $5 commodity DAC chip because a talented programmer will be able to do more with the FPGA's expanded capabilities.  But by the way - there is some very interesting player software out there that uses the CPU in your computer, which happens to equal the computing power of very, very expensive FPGAs.

 

So yeah, FPGA is a great buzzword right about now, but beware of buzzwords.  As with anything else, talented engineers and great implementation are 99% (or more) of what you hear.

 

Though I'm personally a fan of the sound I hear from DSD, that has a very great deal to do with the fact that the chip in my DAC has oversampling and sigma-delta modulator steps that are avoided when you send DSD through the input.  I don't get the sense Ygg is going to be the same old, same old, so let's see if it does PCM better than other DACs near its price, and whether it does PCM better than other DACs near its price do DSD.

post #1119 of 9301

If we're still voting on Ygg features, then I vote to include a volume control, digital or otherwise, as long as it doesn't truncate signal databits with volume.

 

The FPGAs as implemented by Chord and maybe others now are not replacement for the sigma-delta DAC chips per se, but just the chip onboard signal filtering, which is now capable of markedly better resolution via the external 1000+ FPGA points.  Most likely the Ygg D/A conversion, if touting superiority, will be some form of R2R resistor ladder with any luck, either via chip ala PCM1704 or other, or discrete, such as the lasered resistor matching of TotalDAC or MSB.  But not at current Schiit pricing.

 

DSD is not my hot button, but I can see how others would want it for future proofing, as available music genre selections become more viable.  DSD appears to be "open stock" at this point.     

post #1120 of 9301
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If we're still voting on Ygg features, then I vote to include a volume control, digital or otherwise, as long as it doesn't truncate signal databits with volume.

 

The FPGAs as implemented by Chord and maybe others now are not replacement for the sigma-delta DAC chips per se, but just the chip onboard signal filtering, which is now capable of markedly better resolution via the external 1000+ FPGA points.  Most likely the Ygg D/A conversion, if touting superiority, will be some form of R2R resistor ladder with any luck, either via chip ala PCM1704 or other, or discrete, such as the lasered resistor matching of TotalDAC or MSB.  But not at current Schiit pricing.

 

DSD is not my hot button, but I can see how others would want it for future proofing, as available music genre selections become more viable.  DSD appears to be "open stock" at this point.     

 

+1 on volume control, that would avoid need of preamp if used with an poweramp.

post #1121 of 9301
Use real-time DSD to PCM (or in the case of DXD, PCM to PCM) conversion in player software such as foobar or JMRC.
post #1122 of 9301

But if you do include a volume control, make sure you don't thump into speakers on power on/off, for god's sake. :)

post #1123 of 9301

In other words a muting circuit for power on and off that works. No glitches when changing inputs or sample rate.

post #1124 of 9301

My next Ygg feature vote would be for an input signal capability for balanced LVDS I2S via HDMI (PS Audio standard).

post #1125 of 9301

Guys, guys, guys....

 

I could be wrong here but I'm pretty sure that the design and feautures of the Ygg are already nailed down.

 

If they aren't... well then you're probably not going to see the Ygg for another year.

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