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Poll Results: What would you buy the XBOX ONE or the PS4?

 
  • 15% (39)
    XBOX ONE
  • 72% (186)
    PS4
  • 12% (32)
    Neither
257 Total Votes  
post #121 of 1019
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

 

See, this is what makes you work the opposite of everyone else. You are a business man.

 

Playing games is absolutely my right, and if Microsoft wants to take that from me, then why would I ever pay them? I live in Texas. 90% of the state is farmland! Most people don't have internet out here, but a lot of people play game consoles here.

Umm, no. You are not entitled to play video games. You have the option to do so and it comes at a cost and an agreement to play by their rules. If you don't like the rules, you don't have to play, but it is so extremely far from being a right.


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Games are an art, and to revoke someone the right of viewing that art when they are willing to pay for it is just wrong.

Game are absolutely a form of art. Like all art, there is a creator and it's their responsibility to determine how are audience can view and/or use it unless they release it to public domain. You have absolutely no rights granted to you to see it. This is standard copyright law in the US.

 

Alright, I have to unsubscribe to this thread for awhile to regain my sanity and get some work done. beerchug.gif

post #122 of 1019
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

 

See, this is what makes you work the opposite of everyone else. You are a business man.

 

Playing games is absolutely my right, and if Microsoft wants to take that from me, then why would I ever pay them? I live in Texas. 90% of the state is farmland! Most people don't have internet out here, but a lot of people play game consoles here.

 

Games are an art, and to revoke someone the right of viewing that art when they are willing to pay for it is just wrong.

Not at all. He is just a man who lives in a capitalist society. His arguments are extremely valid and members here are often misconstruing it as his inability to empathise or sympathise. 

post #123 of 1019
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Originally Posted by roguegeek View Post

Umm, no. You are not entitled to play video games. You have the option to do so and it comes at a cost and an agreement to play by their rules. If you don't like the rules, you don't have to play, but it is so extremely far from being a right.

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you here.

post #124 of 1019
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you here.

Could you explain how you are entitled to play games? It's a product just like any other product out there which you have to pay a fee for. 

post #125 of 1019

Okay, to understand my logic flow, you must understand I am very anti-business and anti-political. I disagree with many of the laws we have and hate that the whole goal of business is to get rich. I don't believe in art being a product - I feel it is something to be shared with the world. Limiting how art can be shared in any form is a disservice to humanity as a whole - keeping us from progressing  and becoming better people as a whole. "Right" is not necessarily what I'm going for here. I believe that entertainment bringing organizations (Be they profit or non-profit) to bring the joy that is video games, music, film, or literature to the earth. Aiming for money in this way I find evil and corrupt.

 

I don't believe that they can't aim for money, though. I just disagree with how they go about doing it. While you might be able to call Nintendo and Sony's love for the gamers a "facade", at least they are acting upon it to get themselves money without limiting the art form nearly as much as Microsoft was attempting.

post #126 of 1019
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

Okay, to understand my logic flow, you must understand I am very anti-business and anti-political. I disagree with many of the laws we have and hate that the whole goal of business is to get rich. I don't believe in art being a product - I feel it is something to be shared with the world. Limiting how art can be shared in any form is a disservice to humanity as a whole - keeping us from progressing  and becoming better people as a whole. "Right" is not necessarily what I'm going for here. I believe that entertainment bringing organizations (Be they profit or non-profit) to bring the joy that is video games, music, film, or literature to the earth. Aiming for money in this way I find evil and corrupt.

 

I don't believe that they can't aim for money, though. I just disagree with how they go about doing it. While you might be able to call Nintendo and Sony's love for the gamers a "facade", at least they are acting upon it to get themselves money without limiting the art form nearly as much as Microsoft was attempting.

I understand your outlook. However, your viewpoint would only be valid if everyone in the world was altruistic and wouldn't free-ride. Somewhat utopian at best no? 

post #127 of 1019

I know, I was thinking about putting something about that. I wish there was some way my ideal world plan could even fathom working.

post #128 of 1019
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

I know, I was thinking about putting something about that. I wish there was some way my ideal world plan could even fathom working.

Even if free-riding and egocentrism could be dealt with, without monetary incentive, this world would be a very very mundane and unproductive place.... 

post #129 of 1019

Well there can be a monetary incentive, its just how you go about presenting it.

 

Take the Humble Indie Bundle, for example. They get $2 million out of it after having much, much less put in.  Its a great business model, we all get tons of games, we get to donate to charity, and they get the money. Its the business model I wish the entire entertainment industry ran on. Of course, that has tons and tons of problems when there is more than a couple going on at any given time thanks to how we work...

 

Edit: We are so off topic XD

 

So did you guys hear Sony is talking to Oculus? We might be seeing the Rift on the PS4 someday... That's enough of a reason for me to get a PS4 if there is any!


Edited by daleb - 6/20/13 at 5:43pm
post #130 of 1019
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So did you guys hear Sony is talking to Oculus? We might be seeing the Rift on the PS4 someday... That's enough of a reason for me to get a PS4 if there is any!

 

I heard someone is making pron games for the Rift.

post #131 of 1019
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Originally Posted by daleb View Post

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So the military thing, yeah, I've heard it. Are you affected by it?

This is America, where everyone walks around shirtless with the flag painted on their chests. This affects all of us patriotic folks a ton.

Edit: Ugh your beliefs are horrible...
This is America, where everyone tries to make a quick buck if they can get away with it. This drives all of us capitalistic folks a ton.

(I'm actually more of a socialist/communist/hippie/whatever than a capitalist, but your... impassioned response was asking for a set-up.)

I'm not a fan of Microsoft's recent policies, but it's pretty easy to understand why they did what they did. Since most of the people debating lately are from the US and keep referring to it for examples, I'll keep it local. However, a global analogue can be made.

It's a simple numbers game. Deployed members of the armed forces make up about 1% of the US population. Working a business model around 1% of the population doesn't make sense. But what about all the people living in rural areas with shoddy internet access? 90% of Texas maybe farmland, but what percentage of the population does it make up? Most of the US population is concentrated in cities and suburbs, where internet access is more readily available. Microsoft figured it could squeeze enough money from 90% of the market to more than make up for the 10% of the market it alienated. This is within the modus operandi of profit driven businesses, which to be honest, are the majority of businesses.

Region locking for console games is nothing new and has been the standard except for handhelds. It's for similar, if not the same, reasons that DVDs and Blu-Rays have region codes. Surprisingly, it seems to be more common to have region-free consoles now. Nintendo remains the sole offender with the 3DS and the Wii U. I can't find a strong reason for this trend since import gamers like myself, the obvious beneficiaries, are a very small minority. Perhaps it's an acknowledgement of the increasingly global economy where people don't necessarily buy local... even then, that's not a very strong reason.
The operational region lock would've been new. Consoles have generally not been released simultaneously around the world. People in the US haven't really been affected by it since they're usually the second country (after Japan), or more recently the first, to get a new console. The operational lock seems to be an even stronger version of the DVD/BR regional lockout since it doesn't even allow imports. It would've also given Microsoft a stronger grip on supply and demand (read: more money for them and companies who made games for their consoles).

Microsoft's original game plan was to rally Western publishers (they haven't had much luck attracting Japanese publishers) with the promises of more money due to increased market control. Publishers (and to a lesser extent, developers) feel robbed by used games because they're not making money off them. It's always about money. They got too greedy and ambitious and tried to rush things. Downloadable games (and sadly, DLC) have been more prominent. The question is will disc-based games eventually go away, and if so, how?
My personal theory for why Sony didn't follow suit is that the Japanese used game market (and Asia in general) is much stronger. Microsoft seems to have given up on getting a foothold in the East (it's not like they haven't tried; they were unsuccessful for a number of reasons), so it's less likely to care about such. It's in line with no Asian country being part of the initial Xbox One launch. Sony knows its own backyard better, has more stake in it, and didn't want to burn it down. The West reacting badly was just a nice bonus.

Consumer power has been gradually chipped away. Why? Because the content publishers generally hold more power than the content consumers. As such, they are in the position to work things in their favor, even at the expense of consumers. HDCP is a good example of such. The decline of local co-op is another good example (make people buy another console and another copy of the game just so two people in the same room can play together? Cha-ching!). There may be more consumers, but they're not a focused enough lot to rally against their purpose-driven adversaries. The E3 fallout was a pleasant exception, but that was more due to Microsoft making dumb moves.
post #132 of 1019
This is not so much capitalism as it is to rent you a console instead of buying it. MS wants economic rent from it's customers and I would love to see Headfi react when their CD players, DAPs, DACs etc need to be authorised every 24 hours to continue playing music. MS deserve everything they got for this move. If they really wanted customer convenience, there's plenty of ways to go about it. They want complete control over everything even after you have paid them for the console and if they ban you, you can enjoy your expensive Blu Ray player. This was a business decision since Amazon numbers were pretty pathetic and that was not a good indication of the future.
Capitalism isn't everything it's cracked to be and I'm not here to tell you why.
post #133 of 1019

That awkward moment when arguing about videogames turns into the struggles of life and art. It's a game...just....a game...

post #134 of 1019
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Originally Posted by Rewkie View Post

That awkward moment when arguing about videogames turns into the struggles of life and art. It's a game...just....a game...

Life's just a game, man.

post #135 of 1019

Xbox One is looking strong now.  1 pre order :D.

 

But I think they went passed the PS4 on Amazon for their home market so it did have an effect.

Someone suggested MS was listening to the consumers... That is exactly what they didn´t how on earth could they take the flac during the entire E3 when the **** storm started well before and then revert as late as now to the inevitable!  They wanted to stick with it that´s for sure but the Jimmy Fallon piece where PS 4 was for used games maybe was the final drop. Only ones that listen to the audience this time is Sony. Kind of 180 for last generation actually... 

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