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As far as I can tell, it's a blog where he posts measurements he's done and post his analysis of them.

There was never any pretense of listening impressions on there. He listens to everything he gets but that's not the purpose of his blog. If any of you would have taken a second to go to his blog or twitter and ask him a question instead of all the conjecture here, from what I've seen he's very responsive.
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

As far as I can tell, it's a blog where he posts measurements he's done and post his analysis of them.

There was never any pretense of listening impressions on there. He listens to everything he gets but that's not the purpose of his blog. If any of you would have taken a second to go to his blog or twitter and ask him a question instead of all the conjecture here, from what I've seen he's very responsive.

Well, I guess I just assumed that a site called a "Headphone Analysis Blog" would include actually listening to the phones. My bad.
post #288 of 547
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

He just compares the frequency response graphs in the review unfortunately.  Interprets them as he pleases in the most subjective ways possible.  That said, he provides good data, but that's about as far as I can take his words...  Many of his reviews tend to have some sort of strong bias behind them, he uses both positive and negative biases, but no review is ever really in the middle (where it should be).  That said, I take each of his reviews with a grain of salt. 

 

If he did actually compare the RE400 to the RE600 through listening impressions, I didn't see them; he didn't make that clear enough.

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Well, I guess I just assumed that a site called a "Headphone Analysis Blog" would include actually listening to the phones. My bad.

 

While I'm not always in agreement with what I call Rin's "confrontational attitude", I'd still like to state a few words in his defense:

 

First of all, he's putting a lot of effort and care into his analysis. I can't even imagine how many working hours must have gone into this blog, and he's doing it all for free. As far as I can tell (please correct me, if I'm wrong), he's not affiliated with any businesses and not generating any noteworthy income from this. Your mileage may vary, but I personally have a lot of respect for anyone with that kind of dedication.

 

As far as I can tell from my conversations with him, he does indeed listen to the phones, but deliberately restricts his publishing to commented measurements only. On some occasions, you can tell from this comments that he's been listening though, like when he talks about a "nice thumping sensation in the sub-bass range" (RE600 analysis, ON SECOND THOUGHT #4).

 

As for his comments being biased, I'll just say let him who's free of any bias cast the first stone. Obviously there's no absolute reference for biases, so any kind of judgement like "positive", "negative" or "middle" will just reflect your own point of view in relation to his. Moreover, any blog reader can simply choose to dismiss Rin's comments entirely and draw their own conclusions from the graphs provided.

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Originally Posted by Nankai View Post

re600 has better high freq response than RE400. I don't understand why somebody complain that RE600 is darker than RE400. It is impossible. 

 

RE600 has better high, better low, and better detail/separation. Better high is coming from the complicated cable structure. Patented diaphragm gives better separation and low. Better separation means you can feel singer' mouth and instrument body, for RE400 and most other IEMs you can not. Patented coil gives better detail, high and low. Anybody who like RE400 will like RE600 much better. 

 

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Perceptive readers must have realized by now, that the default ear sleeve utilized here is different from what I used in my RE-400 analysis. Moreover, most of the textual information here is a simple copy & paste from my previous RE-400 analysis, and the IEM can still be described in great detail. Once both IEMs are in match with insertion depth and bore acoustics, the deviation falls within 4 dB from 2 kHz to 20 kHz range, which is simply derived from difference in voice coil configuration. Everything else is identical, even down to the very basic time-domain measurements.

 

If any of the RE-400 users out there want to experience the sound of RE-600 without having to pay the quadruple amount of money you've already spent, here's a little trick for you: Simply insert a sheet of microfiber cloth between RE-400's nozzle and the sleeves, and RE-400's sound shall become pretty similar to that of RE-600. The result can't be identical, but why not give a shot when the mod is totally reversible & free.

 

So here's my suggestion, let's get to the bottom of this. smile_phones.gif

 

I'm offering to send my own pair of RE600 (the one that Rin analyzed) on a loan tour and give current RE400 owners the opportunity to audition them side by side with their RE400. That way you can judge for yourself how much better the RE600 are than the RE400. If you're an inquiring mind, you can even add a microfiber cloth to your RE400 and see if they really start sounding similar to the RE600. Whatever your findings, I will kindly ask you to express them frankly and without hesitation.

 

Please PM me (or Inks) if you currently have a RE400 and want to join this tour. (Disclaimer: we will only be able to consider a limited number of applications, and we need to either know you or make sure in some other way that you're trustworthy.)

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James , how do you think the RE-600 stands when compared to EQ-5/GR-10 ?

 

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So here's my suggestion, let's get to the bottom of this. smile_phones.gif

 

I'm offering to send my own pair of RE600 (the one that Rin analyzed) on a loan tour and give current RE400 owners the opportunity to audition them side by side with their RE400. That way you can judge for yourself how much better the RE600 are than the RE400. If you're an inquiring mind, you can even add a microfiber cloth to your RE400 and see if they really start sounding similar to the RE600. Whatever your findings, I will kindly ask you to express them frankly and without hesitation.

 

Please PM me (or Inks) if you currently have a RE400 and want to join this tour. (Disclaimer: we will only be able to consider a limited number of applications, and we need to either know you or make sure in some other way that you're trustworthy.)

post #291 of 547
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

He just compares the frequency response graphs in the review unfortunately.  Interprets them as he pleases in the most subjective ways possible.  That said, he provides good data, but that's about as far as I can take his words...  Many of his reviews tend to have some sort of strong bias behind them, he uses both positive and negative biases, but no review is ever really in the middle (where it should be).  That said, I take each of his reviews with a grain of salt. 

If he did actually compare the RE400 to the RE600 through listening impressions, I didn't see them; he didn't make that clear enough.  I'm not sure if he still has the RE400s, he might have sold them by now to fund his LCD2s. 
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I didn't mean to be critical of his intentions or comments. I certainly do appreciate the time and effort that Rin puts into his blog. I guess if the blog were entitled "Headphone Measurement Blog" I would have understood from the start that his comments are specifically related to his measurement data. To me, the word "Analysis" implied both subjective as well as objective opinions. As this was the first time I visited his blog, I was unfamiliar with his methodology.

I do believe that presenting both subjective opinions and objective data represents a more accurate overview of the item under consideration whether it be audio, automotive or any other technical product.

That said, while not everyone will agree with a reviewers subjective opinions, they certainly have every right to express them, as long as their opinions are derived from personal experience rather than second-hand hearsay.
post #292 of 547
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post


So here's my suggestion, let's get to the bottom of this. smile_phones.gif


I'm offering to send my own pair of RE600 (the one that Rin analyzed) on a loan tour and give current RE400 owners the opportunity to audition them side by side with their RE400. That way you can judge for yourself how much better the RE600 are than the RE400. If you're an inquiring mind, you can even add a microfiber cloth to your RE400 and see if they really start sounding similar to the RE600. Whatever your findings, I will kindly ask you to express them frankly and without hesitation.


Please PM me (or Inks) if you currently have a RE400 and want to join this tour. (Disclaimer: we will only be able to consider a limited number of applications, and we need to either know you or make sure in some other way that you're trustworthy.)

A great idea and a very generous offer! The comments posted after side-by-side comparisons by loan tour participants should prove invaluable for those debating the purchase of an RE-600. Again, many thanks, James, for your generosity!
post #293 of 547
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Originally Posted by proedros View Post

James , how do you think the RE-600 stands when compared to EQ-5/GR-10 ?


 
Sent you a PM...

I believe Flysweep would vouch for me... if that would help.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by jgwtriode View Post

Sent you a PM...

I believe Flysweep would vouch for me... if that would help.

Thanks

I would like to see this information too if possible. I believed other members would appreciate this information. Many thanks! smily_headphones1.gif
post #295 of 547

How is the RE600 when paired with Tera?

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Originally Posted by proedros View Post

James , how do you think the RE-600 stands when compared to EQ-5/GR-10 ?

 

You'll be surprised, but I haven't even heard the RE600 myself. Bought them from a US seller one week ago and had them sent directly to Rin for analysis.

 

My initial idea being that Rin would forward them to me when he's done, but as it stands, plans seem to have changed... wink.gif

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How is the RE600 when paired with Tera?

Not so good unless you use an adapter to increase the impedance, such as the Ety P to S. Without the adapter, the sound is typical of a low-impedance BA IEM's even though the RE-600 is a dynamic. Using the adapter improves the sound significantly, but it still sounds best with an external amp.
post #298 of 547

I should be getting an RE-600 review pair some time this week and have my RE-400s right here to compare them to. All this controversy has me practically chomping at the bit to see how the RE-600 fares. biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by TheGame21x View Post

I should be getting an RE-600 review pair some time this week and have my RE-400s right here to compare them to. All this controversy has me practically chomping at the bit to see how the RE-600 fares. biggrin.gif

We'll be waiting smily_headphones1.gif
I am going to buy the RE-600 soon as well and an RE-400 comparison will surely take place soon enough
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Originally Posted by TheGame21x View Post

I should be getting an RE-600 review pair some time this week and have my RE-400s right here to compare them to. All this controversy has me practically chomping at the bit to see how the RE-600 fares. biggrin.gif

You're feeling negative vibes and expect to be underwhelmed; therefore you'll be end up being overwhelmed by its sound

 

...or simply extremely underwhelmed blink.gif

 

Hoping for the prior as I've been waiting for mine since April with all these darn delay. Hope it can somewhat stand up against the AKG K3003 in my case.

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