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post #136 of 492

I also tried the RE-600 today. I didn't make a direct comparison against my JH13s (didn't have the resources to match the levels), but I was more impressed at the RE-400 for their respective price points. The RE-600 was certainly "better" but it sounded a little too grainy to my ears.

 

I don't think the value proposition is quite as strong with the RE-600 as it is with the rest of the HiFiMan headphone/earphone line (e.g. HE-400, HE-500, RE-400). That is not to say that it is a bad product. I was certainly impressed with how tiny they were.


Edited by 3X0 - 6/27/13 at 7:06pm
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if I did not have re400s and did not hear re600s under the 901 balanced mode, my money would already belonged to HiFiMAN..... still surprised by how much improvement of re600s running in balanced 901.....

And if you are buying the re600s, just ignore the stock tips and get some nice ones elsewhere if you do not have narrow ear cannels, the tips are the same as re400's and poor in seal for me. 

I agree with you that the tips included with the RE-600 will not provide a proper seal for many users. I have suggested to Fang that he make up a tip assortment of various sizes that will work on both the RE-400 and 600 and offer it as an option for those who need tip sizes other than those included. I also agree with you that running them balanced makes a marked improvement in their performance.

I had to scrounge around through my stash of tips from long-departed IEM's and finally found some that fit the 600 and my ears really well, but due to the wide neck used on both the 400 and 600, many tips such as those used for Etys, Westones, etc. will not fit. Without a really good fit, it will be impossible to fully appreciate what the 600 is capable of delivering. Instead, there will be little bass and piercing highs.

As is the case with many dynamic driver phones, the RE-600 does take quite a few hours of use before reaching their full potential. I have not noticed much change after I passed about 50 hours of use.
Edited by HiFlight - 6/27/13 at 7:13pm
post #138 of 492
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Originally Posted by Benjamin6264 View Post

Has it been determined which size of Comply tips would fit the RE-600?

They look so similar to the RE 400's, I'm betting it's the 400 series Comply's.

post #139 of 492
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

I also tried the RE-600 today. I didn't make a direct comparison against my JH13s (didn't have the resources to match the levels), but I was more impressed at the RE-400 for their respective price points. The RE-600 was certainly "better" but it sounded a little too grainy to my ears.

 

I don't think the value proposition is quite as strong with the RE-600 as it is with the rest of the HiFiMan headphone/earphone line (e.g. HE-400, HE-500, RE-400). That is not to say that it is a bad product. I was certainly impressed with how tiny they were.

If the RE-x00 are really so similar, then I'm a little baffled by your input, as I don't find the RE-400 to be grainy at all. The RE-400 to me is quite smooth, without even a hint of harshness.

post #140 of 492
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If the RE-x00 are really so similar, then I'm a little baffled by your input, as I don't find the RE-400 to be grainy at all. The RE-400 to me is quite smooth, without even a hint of harshness.

It's harsh next to the 600 and I don't think they are very similar at all.
post #141 of 492
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It's harsh next to the 600 and I don't think they are very similar at all.

You commented that the RE-600 is more laid back in the other thread, which worries me a little about the 600, btw. I hope it's not too laid back.

post #142 of 492
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You commented that the RE-600 is more laid back in the other thread, which worries me a little about the 600, btw. I hope it's not too laid back.

Who knows, it could have been the iPhone DAC or the Meier amp if they are extrordinarily transparent. Are you willing to take that chance? evil_smiley.gif
post #143 of 492
I didn't find the RE400 to be harsh at all. Quite smooth actually.
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Loving it..... biggrin.gif

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here comes the pain (in my wallet)

post #146 of 492
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Originally Posted by tigon_ridge View Post

If the RE-x00 are really so similar, then I'm a little baffled by your input, as I don't find the RE-400 to be grainy at all. The RE-400 to me is quite smooth, without even a hint of harshness.

It's not harsh per se, but the incremental resolution from the RE-600 (against the RE-400) comes with an added bit of grain which I found off-putting.

 

It depends on your frame of reference as well. I had just listened to the HE-500s minutes prior and have owned the JH13s as my mainstay since their release, and either were smooth in comparison.

 

It's a shame that both HM-901s were on the HE-X00 table. One of them should have stayed on the RE-600 table so there would have been greater opportunity to hear the balanced pairing. I only saw one dude try them balanced.


Edited by 3X0 - 6/28/13 at 4:40am
post #147 of 492
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Originally Posted by 3X0 View Post

It's not harsh per se, but the incremental resolution from the RE-600 (against the RE-400) comes with an added bit of grain which I found off-putting.

 

It depends on your frame of reference as well. I had just listened to the HE-500s minutes prior and have owned the JH13s as my mainstay since their release, and either were smooth in comparison.

 

The RE-600 has no grain for me on HM901 or AK120 whatsoever.  Compared to RE-400 it is a significant step up with better articulation of notes, sharper attack, more resolution, better imaging but with the same smooth non-fatiguing sound signature.  And my reference is FT334 with Twag v3 8-conductor (SE) or SPC (balanced).  Just not sure how much of the improvement over RE400 cames from the IEM themselves or the balanced amp/cable.

post #148 of 492

Those of you who were at the NYC hififman event last night - did they have RE-600 for sale in the store (to purchase right there in the store last night and take home)?

I'm in NYC and would like go pick those up today if they have them in that store (but if all they do is take prepay but still not available to take home than I may as well order online).

post #149 of 492
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Originally Posted by kkcc View PostThe RE-600 has no grain for me on HM901 or AK120 whatsoever.  Compared to RE-400 it is a significant step up with better articulation of notes, sharper attack, more resolution, better imaging but with the same smooth non-fatiguing sound signature.  And my reference is FT334 with Twag v3 8-conductor (SE) or SPC (balanced).  Just not sure how much of the improvement over RE400 cames from the IEM themselves or the balanced amp/cable.

What would you consider as grainy? I consider many highly-resolving dynamic implementations to be grainy nowadays.

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Those of you who were at the NYC hififman event last night - did they have RE-600 for sale in the store (to purchase right there in the store last night and take home)?

I'm in NYC and would like go pick those up today if they have them in that store (but if all they do is take prepay but still not available to take home than I may as well order online).

Yes, they had them for immediate sale. Not sure how many units they had on-hand and/or how many sold, so I'd call them to confirm they're still in stock.

post #150 of 492
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What would you consider as grainy? I consider many highly-resolving dynamic implementations to be grainy nowadays.

 

 

Amongst the ones I currently own, T-PEOS H-200 is grainy, and more so on 901 than AK120.  I do find EX-1000 grainy for mids/vocal, but that was some time ago as I didn't keep it.  What source amp/dac were you using when demo'ing the RE600?  I find higher powered amp do sometimes magnify any coarseness in the driver....

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