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post #1486 of 2143
Alright well new-toy-itus is wearing off and I'm pretty sure I'll be selling the FA4s. They are pretty uneven in the lower treble and don't extend very well through the highs. They remind me of a BA version of the Panasonic HJE900s, they both have a fun sound, but are un-accurate enough that it becomes annoying; I think the TF10 are actually more neutral. The FA4s are noticeably warmer with thicker lower mids than the TF10, which has near-neutral, slightly recessed mids. The TF10 sounds more like Beyer DT770, while the FA4 sounds more like the Denon D2000.

The one aspect in which the FA4 does clearly exceed the TF10 is dimensionality, it's less open-sounding but clearly better separated and has more height and depth than the TF10.

These actually sound a good bit like the UE900 to me. I can't recommend them as an upgrade to the TF10; they are a different sound for sure, more of a side grade than anything.
Edited by Gilly87 - 6/2/14 at 8:21pm
post #1487 of 2143

You're kind hilarous :D 8 hours with the FA4 and you're able to paint them as the best you ever have then the worst bang for buck. I'm waiting for your next impressions 8 hours later :)

post #1488 of 2143
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I recommend you to spend a week with them tip rolling, sources...until final conclusions
post #1489 of 2143
Lol yeah it's been a roller coaster so far...should probably take Kurdt's advice...
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You're kind hilarous biggrin.gif 8 hours with the FA4 and you're able to paint them as the best you ever have then the worst bang for buck. I'm waiting for your next impressions 8 hours later smily_headphones1.gif
post #1490 of 2143
You're probably right...unfortunately for my purposes, my phone is my one and only source with these IEMs; its much more likely I'll move to a different IEM than a new phone (although admittedly I'm pretty stoked about the G3).

Right now I'm just hearing the FA4 as a mix between the UE900 and UM3X: the presentation is more exciting, but the tonality is so far off that it feels a bit painful. The timbre feels really inconsistent: some voices, especially softer ones, sound great, while other, more emphatically sung vocals, especially female, sound really muffled and artificial. I think is is a tesult of the mids and lower treble being uneven. It's the same beef I take with most of the IEMs I've ever owned: there's a dip around 5khz that just sucks the life away from the music. I've tried EQing to compensate but it just makes it screwier.

I saw this in the FA4's graph but ignored it due to all of the comparisons people had drawn to the TF10. NEVER AGAIN! From here on out I trust graphs>people's opinions.
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I recommend you to spend a week with them tip rolling, sources...until final conclusions
post #1491 of 2143
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Well I've owned some iems you owned too the unfiltered sm3 or the um3x as I remeber from the sm3 thread smily_headphones1.gif and for my taste the fa4e sounds way better , the fa are clearer than both, detailed than both, separation as good as the um3x but way bigger soundstage, better and deeper bass than both, resolving flat mids and better highs than both...Im not an expert but this is how I hear them in btw coherency is way better in the fa than in the sm3(strange soundstge) or um3x(no soundstage and amazing separation) and i find timbre good too sometimes sound is a bit dry for my taste though but they play in another tier imo again, the fa also puts in shame the sony ex1000 with the monster tri flanges and a good source because soundstage is spectacular with the tips mented

As I don't undertand graphs I have to trust my ears smily_headphones1.gif

Edited by Kurdt-bada - 6/3/14 at 7:35am
post #1492 of 2143
I do think they are about a half-step up from the others in terms of overall technical ability. Like you said the separation is on par with UM3X while actually having a decent sized stage. If I had gone straight from the UM3X to these without repurchasing the TF10 in between, I would probably be very happy with the FA4.

The unfiltered SM3 I remember as being punchier and faster, with a little more midbass, and sharper treble (which I like) but it has that weird soundstage and hisses and distorts and all that other nonsense (coughcough terrible build cough cough).

I'm growing accustomed to the smoother sound...I really do feel like I will miss that euphoric 5khz emphasis from TF10 despite the technical advantages of the FA4, but I'm going to give them a few days. Guess we'll see what happens...
Edited by Gilly87 - 6/3/14 at 8:05am
post #1493 of 2143
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Another issues with the unfiltered sm3 were their sibilance and harshness and the terrible build quality of course hehe
Edited by Kurdt-bada - 6/3/14 at 8:51am
post #1494 of 2143
The sibilance/harshness never bothered me. I actually like sharp treble.

Unfortunately I think I've discovered one potential origin of my polarized opinion on the sound...a big ole crack in the right earpiece! -___-;
Edited by Gilly87 - 6/3/14 at 4:45pm
post #1495 of 2143
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The unfiltered SM3 I remember as being punchier and faster, with a little more midbass, and sharper treble (which I like) but it has that weird soundstage and hisses and distorts and all that other nonsense (coughcough terrible build cough cough).

 

Oh it's weird... despite the bad build quality ;)

post #1496 of 2143
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Unfortunately I think I've discovered one potential origin of my polarized opinion on the sound...a big ole crack in the right earpiece! -___-;

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post #1497 of 2143

Oh, and that's vented BA so...

post #1498 of 2143

Kurdt Bada  I received the tip packages yesterday from you and will experiment hopefully this weekend.

This is what the postman delivered to me. Thank you.

 

http://www.fbnstatic.com/static/managed/img/fb2/news/post-office-deliveries.jpg 

post #1499 of 2143
Ok so Ive been swapping sides obsessively with some foamies and have come to the conclusion that the crack is not drastically affecting the sound.

That said, the FA4's signature is really odd to my ears...it is slightly dark through the mids, but then the lower treble is sharp and sometimes sibilant. The bass seems well extended but lean one second, and then sometimes it becomes a bit intrusive. And not necessarily in the places that one might expect.

Unfortunately these aren't the best phones for classical. They are not very neutral. They sound open enough and the presentation is sufficiently deep that it can image multiple instruments, but on the really big orchestral passages things get a bit cloudy, IMO mostly due to the upper midrange dip and the less-than-lightspeed drivers.

They are great for EDM except when they reveal sibilance... They are pretty revealing phones, definitely more so than the TF10.

It's an interesting IEM for sure... If I can muster the cash for the W30 I will be really interested to see how they compare.
post #1500 of 2143
Been using mine with the large TF10 single flange tips, which give me a good seal; I tried some monster triflanges but they didn't do much for the sound to my ears.
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