Fischer Amps FA 4E XB:
I've received today the fischer amps fa 4e xb, i upgraded them from the fischer amps fa 3e xb paying the difference. Jochen Fischers of Fischer amps is a really nice guy, he repaired my fa 3e xb with the broken nozzle for 35 euros (my shure 535 had the same issue and people from shure only offered me only a full replacement of 200 euros) and after that i told him I saw the fischer amps fa 4e xb and he told me i could upgrade from my xb 3e to them for 50 euros, comunication was great so if you cant find the fischer amps fa 4e xb in any store yet here is his mail firstname.lastname@example.org he also send very cheap by dhl.
Before i start my impressions here is the link of the fischer amps fa 3e xb http://www.head-fi.org/t/660493/fischer-amps-fa-3e-xb-impressions
which will be very useful in this new thread.
Some pics of the fa 4e xb:
As you can see the first and most obvius difference between the fa 3e xb and the fa 4e is the Fischer Amps logo in the shell which look really nice. The fischer amps fa 3e look good too, but the design is a bit plain so this is very positive for people who care about design, they look really good in my opinion. the size of the shell is the same as the fischer amps fa3exb though they have 1 more driver inside.
The configuration of the fa xb 4e is 1 driver highs+1 driver mids+ 2 drivers lows( balanced vented lows) 3-way crossover the fischer amps fa 3e xb are 1 driver mids highs+ 2 drivers lows( balanced vented lows) 2-way crossover.
So how they sound?, as I said the link of the fischer amps fa3e xb is above. The fischer amps fa 4e xb sound like an improved version of the fa 3e xb, the lows are the same, clarity is the same, timbre is the same and finally soundsig is the same. The most significant improvement is in the intrument separation they add also a bit wider soundstage and now the fischers sound more 3d; you can pick each instrument easily anyway separation on the fischers 3e is quite good and very natural to my ears, more natural than the 4s but less 3d and technically under and i think they are less in your face due to this but very in front mids anyway. there is a bit more sparkle on the highs also and a bit more microdetail in the mids and in the highs but the rest is the same. They cost 400 euros im not gonna compare them against the ex1000 or the sm3 v2 as i did it with the fischer amps fa 3e xb which i think are the best balanced ive heard and the 4s add some improvements which make them great iems
Pics+impressions by music_4321:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/105 first impressions
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/120 more impressions
impressions by sect44:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/180 first impressions
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/240. Comparation between ck100 pro and fa 4e xb by sect44
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/735 Comparation between fa 4e and ie 800
First impressions by Carlsan:
Comparation between heir 5.0 and fa 4e xb by Carlsan: http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/375#post_9842292
First impressions by Darkbeat:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/390 more impressions
First impressions by ek2k6:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/664613/review-aurisonics-asg-2-plus-comparisons-fischer-fa-4e-xb-fitear-f111-cardas-em5813-added comparation between asg2 and fa 4e
First impressions by Ultrazino:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/450 further impressions
First impressions by shotgunshane:
First impressions by esuhgb:
First impressions by Moonyeol
Comparation between asg-2, ue900, ck100 pro and fa 4e by Moonyeol http://www.head-fi.org/t/687962/asg-2-ck100pro-ue900-and-fa-4e-xb-reviews-the-dysfunctional-family
review on head gear section http://www.head-fi.org/products/fischer-amps-fa-4e-xb/reviews/10016
First impressions by sly_in_the_sky
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/705 brief comparation between sme 6 and fa 4e
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/735 comparation between fa 4e and pfe 232
First impressions and comparation with tg 334 by cn11
comparation between gr07 and fa 4e http://www.head-fi.org/t/667638/fischer-amps-fa-4-e-xb-new-4-ba-iem-from-germany/750#post_10017337
fischer amps + sony zx-1 http://www.head-fi.org/t/680853/sony-nwz-zx1-35th-walkman-anniversary-model/2490#post_10109237
Comparation between fa 4e and shure 846 by cn11:
First impressions and comparation between fa 4e-sony ex1000-sm64-ie800 by vrnl
Impressions by rawster
Dnun8086 first impressions:
lolhart first impressions:
First impressions by flegendre:
My own comparation between fa 4e and sony ex1000
Brief comparation between sme6 and fa 4e by Rollk2
Brief comparation between fa 4e and heir 4ai plus sm64
Johndoe first impressions and comparation between sm64:
First impressions by caraca08:
My comparation between w40 and fa 4e:
Comparation between sd3 and fa 4e xb by Burtonchell:
The SD-3 is a very bass accentuaded in-ear which in my ear has too much boost in the upper bass at 180-200 Hz - mids and highs gets slightly masked and dark coloured of this tremendous low frequency response otherwise it pretends a really huge soundstage.
With Accudio Pro on iPhone 4S I reduced the area in the upper bass around -12 dB and so mids and highs appear like unveiled but soundstage loses depth.
In summary the SD-3 has a very bass and mid strong tonality with a technical outstanding performance.
Marco from In-Ear told me that the SD-3 is a result of many reqeuests of stage musicians (mainly keyboarder and drummers) who wants a better low frequency feedack to counter surrounding noise and asking for a strong fit.
That many "hifi-people" like the sound representation of the StageDivers is a well registered side-effect for the company.
Though for my choice the SD-3 is a unique "effect machine" and has a disadvantage with the fractional covered mids and highs.
Violins as example are too dark coloured - female voices have sometimes a meddlesome peak. And with time its getting fatiguing for me.
So my next try was the Fischer Amps FA-4 E XB and my first impressions were that I can´t say whether this in-ear sounds cold or warm, dark or harsh, powerful or dry, inflated or thin.
It was a "out-of-the-box-sweet-spot-bull's-eye" and I was deeply impressed about the favorable tonal matching.
First of all to say: the FA-4 is bass-boosted too, but not in that officious manner of SD-3 and in an other way. The sub bass of FA-4 is +6 dB above neutral with a gradient characteristic to the upper bass. Key tone is more neutral / slightly warm than fully warm in comparison to SD-3. I want to describe the mids as "creamy" - not in the catchy and pushy way of the SD-3 more a relaxed and nestling between nature with a slight wide-band peak at 1700 Hz. But not at any time really audible in music. Just tested per "signal generator" on a iOS-device. Furthermore a peak at 6500 & 8500 Hz - and a wide-band dip @ 4 kHz. Again, slightly peaks/dips withouth a disruptive behavior by listening several genres - classic, pop, rock, indiependent, alternative, metal.
The Sounding is comparable to the TF10 - but with more warmth in the mid-range and with brillant but not harsh and metallic highs.
The FA-4 has a more airy and clearer sound presentation and a wider but not so deep soundstage as SD-3. The instrument seperation and resolution of both are on a very high rank but with FA-4 there is not such a masking effect as with SD-3. I can say: reverb on FA-4 has more air to breathe ... (c;
The proper and comfortable fit with the fischer amps is the best I´ve ever tested. The SD-3 has a so called suction process with gives a stronger locked-up fit but with the full concha build it is more noticeable in my ears. Both on top level - you have to check on your own.
So long I can highly recommend the FA-4E XB from Jochen Fischer and Fischer Amps. He has done a more than remarkable job with this four-driver-in-ear especially for people who loves the TF10-sounding and want a upgrade with more detail, punch and a larger soundstage with more mid-warmth and silkier but comprehensive highs.
I´m overjoyed with the FA-4 and it´s overall performance ! Hope that somebody gets this great product too and gives a review in here!
Comparation between ASG-2 and fa 4e xb by music_4321:
"First off, I'd like to thank Eke for being brave—yes, brave—and confident enough to have his ASG-2s tested / auditioned by several (experienced) head-fiers, some of whom he knows will be very honest—too honest perhaps!—even if they happen to like him and know how fond he is of the ASG-2s. It isn't always easy to get genuine impressions which are not too coloured by biases, agendas, friendship / peer pressure, people with close ties to the manufacturer, etc. Not easy, either, to get someone with Eke's genuine will / spirit to search, find out, and not be easily fooled by so much BS, marketing gimmicks and plenty of snake oil found in our so-called hobby. But Eke, like all of us, has his own preferences, too, and enthusiasm that sometimes may get the better of most of us; Eke's genuinely passionate about music and gear—always a good thing in by book… AND exploring and learning.
Okay, have done a bit of A/Bing between the AF-4s & ASG-2s (about 20 mins). Unfortunately, when I switch from the F4s to the G2s, something seems to be missing with the latter — can't quite put my finger on it yet, but the F4s sound more natural, more even, so to speak. The G2s seem to be missing something particularly when they transition between the midrange to higher registers; the only word I can think of is something sounds a bit 'hollow', something just not quite right. But I need to stress that I only notice this more clearly when switching from the F4s to the G2s (which I can do very quickly with my V200 which has two HP outs).
Also, the F4s do seem to reach deeper (sub-bass area) than the G2s — some, though I know this may seem contradictory, may not enjoy that aspect of the F4s that much. The G2's dynamic driver may have the slight upper hand in texture and timbre over the F4s, but only very slightly. I think some people may genuinely prefer the G2s. Not me…. so far... and I still believe more people would find the F4s more their cup of tea.
If I'm comparing the F4s with the G2s, it's because I've only recently got the former, and both IEMs are similarly priced: The FA-4E, a German-made IEM, retails for 385€ (~$510) but can be had for less even in the USA as the on-line shop that sells the FA-4 deducts German tax (~20%) when shipping outside the EU (though you have to add shipping costs to the USA / outside the EU, but it still works out cheaper for people residing outside the EU).
Perhaps our grumpy sparrow is just a bloody FA-4 fanboy but he just won't admit it!"
Review by a musician extracted from thomann:
Perfect for drummer/bass player
After some InEars for 100 EUR with a disappointing presentation these are the perfect inear monitoring plugs for me.
As a bass player I need a very precise representation of low- and mid -frequencies and it lives up with these inears without a flaw.
Beside the clear playback of all details you get enough drive with them for having a lot of fun for a never-glaze sounding.
The punch of tight beaten bass drum kicks or attacks on bass strings becoming never as drown as usual or appear lifeless.
Additionally it sounds all easy to separate and little details in highs appear as super clear in presentation.
With large silicon tips I have a perfect fit and I can jump around while playing and the fit still remains dead certain without getting unpleasant.
So it has to be meant if you want to go off the rails and having great fun.
I´m perfectly happy with this treasures.
Comparation between ue900 and fa 4e xb by sect44:
These IEMs are growing on me everyday. Just made an A/B comparison with UE900 using only AK120 and flac as the source and can surely say they are clearly superior.
I'll only describe the differences briefly because there's plenty of information about the general sound signature in the respectives threads.
At first listening the first impression is that their sound signature is very similar, but the Fischer does everything better, more bass and highs and more pronounced mids, more detailed and overall better soundstage.
It seemed Fischer is UE900 bigger brother
I'm not saying UE900 is a bad phone all, on the contrary, is the clothest to the Fischer"s sound to date, just not so engaging, I just dont feel so connected to the music as with the FA-4.
I always thought UE900 bass was lacking and the Fischer seems to solve it.
Edited by Kurdt-bada - 3/30/15 at 5:22am