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post #571 of 1671
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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post

I also own the XBA-30, I would say that the FA4's are an improvement. I loved the XBA-3/30's when I got them, yes, I have owned both.
The xba-3's are much more picky with sources, they really shine with the right source, xba-30's are more forgiving. Still the FA-4's work well with every source that I have used, including the Burson Soloist, as well as a variety of Daps. The FA's have more refinement, more detail, and just sound like a better earphone to my ears.

I should add that at the current low price of the XBA-3/30's, at least in the States, they are a steal, imho.

Thanks for the input. Really encouraging to hear that since i'm about to step into the realm of mid to hi-fi gear and am aware with the diminishing returns of satisfaction when it comes to listening choices. I'll see if this IEM makes it to my x-mas gift list. If not, maybe to start the new year right.
post #572 of 1671
vwinter, your impressions pretty much gave me a heart attack here at 7 am.. until the last few sentences. That's kind of the opposite of the last episode of Lost. Anyway. Appreciate your honesty. It's always good to know strengths and weaknesses.

You know better than anybody what you're trying to convey through your writing. What I read doesn't seem like nitpicking as it is pretty important things, the part where you feel the sounds don't reach you and the feeling that there's a glass between you and the music.

But your impressions certainly do give us a more balanced image of the FA-4E and that's really something that is needed. Perhaps one of the greatest flaws has been brought to light. Something for others to consider and compare to other iems.
post #573 of 1671
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

FA-4E XB Impressions:

Listening done on iPhone 5S and Yulong D100 MKII > Meier Quickstep

........Don't take this in offense anyone that loves these because I only do this when I think something is incredibly good. The better something is, the more the little things can disappoint you, or me......

 

Great review, I judge certain films(one of my other vices) with your methodology when called upon. The film is so good that certain scenes or aspects slighty let it down and prevent it form achieving high status.

 

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But your impressions certainly do give us a more balanced image of the FA-4E and that's really something that is needed. Perhaps one of the greatest flaws has been brought to light. Something for others to consider and compare to other iems.

 

Just remember and take a look at vwinter's profile, he is coming from and comparing the Fischers to some of the best available. This nitpicking says to me at least that the phones in test are merely very very good and only just miss out on being amongst the very best. Also don't forget the price differential here. You have to spend sometimes double and more to get that last 5%. A figure so small that you spend more time NOT enjoying the music because you are analysing the sound signals. This bodes very well for the Fischers.


Edited by Cecala - 11/5/13 at 11:40pm
post #574 of 1671
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I don't agree with that glass between the sound due to how clear, detailed and not laid back they sound, if you compare them with the sm3 v2 or ex 1000 iems you can listen how veiled and muddy they are in comp, another thing i disagree is that frequencies are detached if you compare them with iems like the um3x or sm3 you can see more coherency and natural sound with great separation in a spacious stage.

But ive only listened to 5 top tier iems and im using custom tips with them,also my music taste differs from most of the people and as you can see not very good describing iems, so my perspective is limited or i could mix some concepts, as our friend music said take a pinch of salt smily_headphones1.gif


Thanks for your review, glad after those issues still find the fa 4e among the best iems you have heard!
Edited by Kurdt-bada - 11/6/13 at 9:02am
post #575 of 1671
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

vwinter, your impressions pretty much gave me a heart attack here at 7 am.. until the last few sentences. That's kind of the opposite of the last episode of Lost. Anyway. Appreciate your honesty. It's always good to know strengths and weaknesses.

You know better than anybody what you're trying to convey through your writing. What I read doesn't seem like nitpicking as it is pretty important things, the part where you feel the sounds don't reach you and the feeling that there's a glass between you and the music.

But your impressions certainly do give us a more balanced image of the FA-4E and that's really something that is needed. Perhaps one of the greatest flaws has been brought to light. Something for others to consider and compare to other iems.

Haha, sorry!

Don't worry. They're very good. I really like them. These points are brought up when making mental comparison comparisons to expectations, the best I've heard, what I personally look for in sound, and best case scenarios.

Many people around here say you want to find someone you hear similarly too. I personally think it's important to find someone who looks for the same things when reviewing or analyzing sound. If you don't look for the same things as I do, then everything I've written doesn't even matter. And you can tell which parts if what I wrote were born of hopes rather than descriptions or transcriptions. I hope these are a pleasant surprise for you after I shattered your expectations through at least one bloodshot eye. tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by Cecala View Post

Great review, I judge certain films(one of my other vices) with your methodology when called upon. The film is so good that certain scenes or aspects slighty let it down and prevent it form achieving high status.


Just remember and take a look at vwinter's profile, he is coming from and comparing the Fischers to some of the best available. This nitpicking says to me at least that the phones in test are merely very very good and only just miss out on being amongst the very best. Also don't forget the price differential here. You have to spend sometimes double and more to get that last 5%. A figure so small that you spend more time NOT enjoying the music because you are analysing the sound signals. This bodes very well for the Fischers.

Your film analysis analogy is spot on.

Everything I've heard has some parts I wish we're better. A lot of "if only..." moments haha. Then again it's the little flaws that make things interesting sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Kurdt-bada View Post

I don't agree with that glass between the sound due to how clear, detailed and not laid back they sound, if you compare them with the sm3 v2 or ex 1000 iems you can listen how veiled and muddy they are in comp, another thing i disagree is that frequencies are detached if you compare them with iems like the um3x or sm3 you can see more coherency and natural sound with great separation in a spacious stage.

But ive only listened to 5 top tier iems and im using custom tips with them,also my music taste differs from most of the people and as you can see not very good describing iems, so my perspective is limited or i could mix some concepts, as our friend music said take a pinch of salt smily_headphones1.gif


Thanks for your review, glad after those issues still find the fa 4e among the best iems you have heard!

I used the term glass specifically because there isn't a veil there. It's more of an invisible barrier, but that's less evocative of the imagery I was trying to express to reflect the sound.

What I was trying to say was that I heard the entire sound a bit detached from the listener, ie the glass pane. But in regard to them being detached from each other, as in not of the same character, ie the coherency paragraph, then I stand by my comments. It's not the best I've heard and that's all I was trying to express. I likened it to the 1plus2 which many people hear as having no coherency "problems."

They're only "issues" when hoping for the best and the FA-4E has grown on me rather quickly. But it's not perfect.
post #576 of 1671

Thanks for your impressions vwinter. I also noticed a dip in the lower treble when compared to my ie80's which have a bit of a peak there. Regardless I still really like and enjoy these. Love the detail and clarity. Has any one noticed any sibilance with some vocals? Some S's sound a bit hot on a few songs with female vocals. I listen to trance and some recordings are rather hot, could be the reason why.

post #577 of 1671
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Originally Posted by esuhgb View Post
 

Thanks for your impressions vwinter. I also noticed a dip in the lower treble when compared to my ie80's which have a bit of a peak there. Regardless I still really like and enjoy these. Love the detail and clarity. Has any one noticed any sibilance with some vocals? Some S's sound a bit hot on a few songs with female vocals. I listen to trance and some recordings are rather hot, could be the reason why.

 

What is your source? Is it bright to begin with?

post #578 of 1671

I wouldn't say bright, but I think its rather neutral, source is venturecraft go dap dd 12le going to apex glacier, again a rather neutral amp. It could be combination of source + music. Do you notice any sibilance?

post #579 of 1671
Vwinter, how you find fa4 compared to 1p2 or FitEar?
post #580 of 1671

vwinter, I understand what you're writing to.. I would like to be able to say 100% but it's probably closer to 85%. The picture you're paiting with the glass, to me it's spot on. Just a few seconds into my listening session, the dip in the upper mids struck me. I didn't think it would be that apparent. It doesn't really bother me but I understand exactly what you mean. I'm going to do a lot of casual listening as well as critical listening. It seems that the 100 Ohm adapter got lost somewhere but from memory I'd say that these are pretty much an upgraded modded UE900. I can see myself spending a lot of time with these.

post #581 of 1671
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Edited by Kurdt-bada - 11/7/13 at 2:00pm
post #582 of 1671
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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post
 

vwinter, I understand what you're writing to.. I would like to be able to say 100% but it's probably closer to 85%. The picture you're paiting with the glass, to me it's spot on. Just a few seconds into my listening session, the dip in the upper mids struck me. I didn't think it would be that apparent. It doesn't really bother me but I understand exactly what you mean. I'm going to do a lot of casual listening as well as critical listening. It seems that the 100 Ohm adapter got lost somewhere but from memory I'd say that these are pretty much an upgraded modded UE900. I can see myself spending a lot of time with these.


You must do a proper write-up and compare with ASG 2. People here would be most interested, like me.

post #583 of 1671
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Vwinter, how you find fa4 compared to 1p2 or FitEar?

Which FitEar? The F111?

It would be from memory, but I don't really hear the FA-4E and 1Plus2 to be as similar in character as other people did. If you have a more specific question, I can try to answer it. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by MoonYeol View Post

vwinter, I understand what you're writing to.. I would like to be able to say 100% but it's probably closer to 85%. The picture you're paiting with the glass, to me it's spot on. Just a few seconds into my listening session, the dip in the upper mids struck me. I didn't think it would be that apparent. It doesn't really bother me but I understand exactly what you mean. I'm going to do a lot of casual listening as well as critical listening. It seems that the 100 Ohm adapter got lost somewhere but from memory I'd say that these are pretty much an upgraded modded UE900. I can see myself spending a lot of time with these.

Dude, if you could take away 85% in agreement, I think that's fantastic. And now you have a reference for what you listen for compared to me. I would spend a lot of time with them too if I had a pair. They are very easy to listen to.
post #584 of 1671
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any initial impressions Moonyeol?

post #585 of 1671
Kind of a mixture of what gnarlsagan and vwinter has written. I haven't done any sweeps but either it's an issue with the drivers and impulse or it's just the dip in the upper mids. But things do sound a bit distant and not as edgy as they should. Not as immersive and intimate as the ASG-2. I will do a bit more tip rolling but I've tried auvio tips, comply TS and T as well as the included single flanges. But I would like to point out that (still from memory) they best the UE900 in probably all parts of the spectrum. Perhaps the treble has a tendency to be sibilant on tracks where it shouldn't be. But still probably the best allrounder I've heard. It's just that the issues are so clear but so minor. I don't know why. But basically the only part I would like to be changed is a bit of edge in the upper mids. But they are basically a modded UE900 with better ergonomics, slightly boosted bass that lends a bit of warmth to the lower midrange, smooth upper mids and a bit more sparkling treble. I still haven't played them for more than a couple of hours but unless they change, that's what I hear. But even with the problems, they are great. Just great. Awesome. But I will post more in my thread and link to it when I have had more time to evaluate and compare to ASG-2 amd UE900.
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