Originally Posted by Golfnutz
Purrin, not everyone is as dumb or lacks the experience you think they do. I suppose what Chris Martens wrote in Playback doesn't mean anything then...
"The mission of the AB-1266 is a daunting one; namely, to meet or beat the performance of Stax’s incredibly good SR-009 electrostatic headphone in every respect, but in a format that is much simpler to drive than an electrostat can be. Are we there yet? Time will tell, but the AB-1266 certain sounded promising".
Originally Posted by Golfnutz
I see your point, but I didn't read where it said "with the abyss". The previous post included comments of 'stats vs. non-stats' and that how I read it, since his reply seemed like a generalized statement (the general population wouldn't have hands-on experience with either the Abyss or SR-009).
I don't think it really matters anyway. The point of the Playback remarks was that the SR-009 are arguably the best current production headphones available today, and the goal of Abyss is to become that. Basically, they only consider the SR-009 to be their main competition at this level. So why wouldn't anyone want to read about the comparisons. Why did Tyll compare them, or any of the other professional reviewers.
You are correct. It was intended as a generalized statement about how the general population hadn't had hands-on experience with these two (Abyss and 009) and also other TOTL headphones. I never said people were dumb and I apologize if you took the statement as I think you are dumb. However I do feel that people who are conjecturing about headphones they haven't heard are doing a disservice to HF by further lowering the already low signal-to-noise ratio here. So yeah, in that sense, people are that dumb.
I don't know how Chris Martin plays into this, I haven't read his stuff, nor do I care about what he has to say. (He's a journalist who probably doesn't own any of this stuff, much less live and breath it.) Personally, I think the SR-007mk1 from the right amp (DIY T2, BHSE, LL2, Electra) is arguably better than the SR-009. Muppetface and many longtime 'stat aficionados I know also prefer the 007mk1 to the 009. Although your point about the 009 actually being in production is a good one, but it's a straw-man argument against the point I was trying to make.
Keep in mind that there are a lot folks who just do not care for the sound of electrostatics, and of the STAX sound in particular. As someone else mentioned, comparing an ortho against a 'stat is perhaps not the most appropriate because their presentations are so different. What's surprising is that there are not more comparisons of the Abyss to dynamics, i.e. HD800, TH900, or to other orthos, i.e. LCD3, HE-6, HE-5, etc. A comparison to these other headphones is just as valid and perhaps even more informative than a comparison to the SR-009*. There is a small legion of hard core ortho-guys who are looking at the Abyss and saying: "Wow, a near-critically damped ortho!" (this is a big deal - the ortho holy grail - if you are not aware of the consequences of such.)
*Especially true since the "Abyss vs. SR-009" thing has always seemed to be more a matter of e-peening and possibly bruised egos on the part of SR-009 owners who have probably identified themselves too much with it. All because some a few people have opined that the Abyss is a better headphone.
Edited by purrin - 8/13/13 at 11:12am