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post #421 of 1811
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At 1 W into 32 ohms, while playing nice is possible, being ideal (especially at that price) is another thing. 

Despite that logic it apparently can drive them very well. From what I hear anyway. It's the magic of "current drive". I don't really understand to be honest, and can't really tell how this is different from Audio-gd, but apparently the Bakoon is crazy awesome with planars. Wish I could try it, but it's rare and it's expensive.

post #422 of 1811
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Originally Posted by VortexBlast View Post

The one tested there is the almost impossible to find even to look for information, Japan only model HDA-5210 Mk3 which I think pumps out even more wattage than the international Bakoons.
It can even drive the HE-6 effortlessly.

Sorry, to drive the HE-6's effortlessly, you're gonna need a speaker amp and at least 20W. smily_headphones1.gif
post #423 of 1811
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The one tested there is the almost impossible to find even to look for information, Japan only model HDA-5210 Mk3 which I think pumps out even more wattage than the international Bakoons.

It can even drive the HE-6 effortlessly.

 

Well, a lot of people in the HE6 forum suggest levels at to the hifiman EF6 amp (5watts at 40ohms or something) is the minimal requirement.

 

With thy Abyss, I would guess that the HDA-5210 Mk3 amp is not an ideal pairing at all (as it's requirements are somewhat close to the HE6).

 

I would be interested for you to re-evaluate it with a better suited amp.

post #424 of 1811
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Despite that logic it apparently can drive them very well. From what I hear anyway. It's the magic of "current drive". I don't really understand to be honest, and can't really tell how this is different from Audio-gd, but apparently the Bakoon is crazy awesome with planars. Wish I could try it, but it's rare and it's expensive.

 

Interesting. Even good with planars like HE6's and Abyss?

post #425 of 1811
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Well, a lot of people in the HE6 forum suggest levels at to the hifiman EF6 amp (5watts at 40ohms or something) is the minimal requirement.

 

With thy Abyss, I would guess that the HDA-5210 Mk3 amp is not an ideal pairing at all (as it's requirements are somewhat close to the HE6).

 

I would be interested for you to re-evaluate it with a better suited amp.

 

While I admit that the HDA-5210 Mk3 might not have as much wattage as its speaker amp equivalent, the SCA-7511 Mk3 and that due to the lack of information concerning specs of the 5210 Mk3 I clearly have no idea with what headphone that particular amp is designed from. I do firmly believe that the 5210 Mk3 drives the Abyss reasonably well and that there is no need for more power to hear more of its potential though I would gladly like to hear it again with a more powerful amp, preferably with balanced inputs.
In all fairness, I would think that listening to the Abyss with a more powerful amp would only make tiny improvements. The Bakoon has more than enough power to bring all the dynamics to any planars including the HE-6 with its ridiculous power requirement.

Edited by VortexBlast - 7/31/13 at 9:48pm
post #426 of 1811
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I would be interested for you to re-evaluate it with a better suited amp.

Beware citadel, there's a an invisible line which, once crossed gets you to loose all credibility (and get labeled as fanboy)...
post #427 of 1811
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Beware citadel, there's a an invisible line which, once crossed gets you to loose all credibility (and get labeled as fanboy)...

 

IMO he already crossed that line hahaha

 

anyway, I also had a listen at the same shop, and the abyss arrived when I brought my liquid fire there. With Calyx Femto as the DAC, both bakoon and LF runs the abyss at 1-2 o'clock. Both powerful enough and while bakoon has better low bass, LF has better treble :)


Edited by etherlite - 7/31/13 at 10:48pm
post #428 of 1811
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Beware citadel, there's a an invisible line which, once crossed gets you to loose all credibility (and get labeled as fanboy)...


When an amp has an output of 1 W into 32 ohm, I would get worried bout using it with HE6 and Abyss.

This is a technical recommendation based from my experience with the HE6.

 

I am a huge fan of the Abyss. Nothing to be ashamed about here. Some people cant admit they are

stax (or any other make/model) fanboys and pretend they are absolutely objective in their assessment.

post #429 of 1811
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Originally Posted by VortexBlast View Post

 

 

Cool. This amp is very mysterious. I tried to look for specs myself, to no avail.

post #430 of 1811
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Originally Posted by citadel View Post


When an amp has an output of 1 W into 32 ohm, I would get worried bout using it with HE6 and Abyss.

This is a technical recommendation based from my experience with the HE6.

 

I am a huge fan of the Abyss. Nothing to be ashamed about here. Some people cant admit they are

stax (or any other make/model) fanboys and pretend they are absolutely objective in their assessment.

 

I would like to inform you that the Japanese Bakoon amp that I used when I auditioned the Abyss is a totally different design than the international Korean Bakoons. The 1 W into 32 Ohm amp must be the HPA-21 which is a totally different model and design than the HDA-5210 Mk3.

Though I'm not sure what the specs of the 5210 Mk3 are because of the absolute absence of info on the internet (that one is a particularly obscure model), I believe from what I heard by auditioning that they provide more than enough juice to power anything well except electrostats obviously.

 

Though not to bash the Abyss which is a fine headphone in itself (I'll gloss over the looks) I just think that it's just too expensive for what it delivers sonically. A top of the line headphone that deserves the Summit-Fi place? Absolutely but I just feel that its price is not entirely justified.


Edited by VortexBlast - 7/31/13 at 11:47pm
post #431 of 1811
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Originally Posted by VortexBlast View Post

 

I would like to inform you that the Japanese Bakoon amp that I used when I auditioned the Abyss is a totally different design than the international Korean Bakoons. The 1 W into 32 Ohm amp must be the HPA-21 which is a totally different model and design than the HDA-5210 Mk3.

Though I'm not sure what the specs of the 5210 Mk3 are because of the absolute absence of info on the internet (that one is a particularly obscure model), I believe from what I heard by auditioning that they provide more than enough juice to power anything well except electrostats obviously.

 

Though not to bash the Abyss which is a fine headphone in itself (I'll gloss over the looks) I just think that it's just too expensive for what it delivers sonically. A top of the line headphone that deserves the Summit-Fi place? Absolutely but I just feel that its price is not entirely justified.


Found it: http://bakoon-products.com/products/old/hpamp.html

 

Hmmm, maybe a touch weak for the Abyss (on paper):

 

20ohms to 4.417W (max)

 

EF6 I think is 50ohms with 6W output...

 

However, practically, it may be adequate enough (according to your impressions).

post #432 of 1811
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Originally Posted by citadel View Post


Found it: http://bakoon-products.com/products/old/hpamp.html

 

Hmmm, maybe a touch weak for the Abyss (on paper):

 

20ohms to 4.417W (max)

 

EF6 I think is 50ohms with 6W output...

 

However, practically, it may be adequate enough (according to your impressions).

 

Sorry, I probably should have quoted this spec:

 

47ohms max output 2.214W

 

I trust your impressions, I just dont understand how these are powerful enough for HE6 (without sound overly bright at high volumes) or the Abyss for that matter.

 

I guess there are specs and then there are specs....

post #433 of 1811
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Originally Posted by citadel View Post

 

Sorry, I probably should have quoted this spec:

 

47ohms max output 2.214W

 

I trust your impressions, I just dont understand how these are powerful enough for HE6 (without sound overly bright at high volumes) or the Abyss for that matter.

 

I guess there are specs and then there are specs....

 

Well anyways, specs are not everything (even if you linked the wrong amplifier, the right model but not the right generation, that one's an SP but not the Mk3).

If I have the chance to audition the Abyss again, I will try it with a different amp. Maybe with its speaker power amp relative, the SCA-7511 Mk3 or another one for that matter.

post #434 of 1811
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Originally Posted by VortexBlast View Post

 

Well anyways, specs are not everything (even if you linked the wrong amplifier, the right model but not the right generation, that one's an SP but not the Mk3).

If I have the chance to audition the Abyss again, I will try it with a different amp. Maybe with its speaker power amp relative, the SCA-7511 Mk3 or another one for that matter.

Yes, I assumed that Mk3 was j

post #435 of 1811
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Originally Posted by citadel View Post

Yes, I assumed that Mk3 was j


Sorry..I meant to write: Yes I assumed that Mk3 was just a revision maybe...Who knows.

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