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post #1171 of 1678

Yeah of course I wouldn't use them in public - I just like the idea of being able to move around the house with them - I can sit on the computer or out on the balcony or lay in bed or on the couch or whatever.  I don't have a listening room or dedicated spot where I listen to music.

 

You're right - there are really a lot of factors to consider in terms of why you're hearing what you're hearing.  

 

Personally, though, I believe most of the difference (provided you use a suitable amp pairing) is due to the headphones rather than anything else.  I think I can safely assume if I had a $2k dac, a $2k amp, and a $2k pair of phones and upgraded just the DAC to a $6k DAC, I might hear a little bit of difference.  If I upgraded just the amp to a $6k amp, I would hear quite a good improvement.  If I upgraded just the headphones to a $6k pair of headphones I would hear a huge improvement.  Obviously it's nice to have ALL great gear, but personally, I believe the biggest amount of difference can be attributed to the cans on the end.  That's why I'm mostly considering a really expensive headphone over a really expensive dac or amp.  But that's just me.

post #1172 of 1678
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post
 

Yeah of course I wouldn't use them in public - I just like the idea of being able to move around the house with them - I can sit on the computer or out on the balcony or lay in bed or on the couch or whatever.  I don't have a listening room or dedicated spot where I listen to music.

 

You're right - there are really a lot of factors to consider in terms of why you're hearing what you're hearing.  

 

Personally, though, I believe most of the difference (provided you use a suitable amp pairing) is due to the headphones rather than anything else.  I think I can safely assume if I had a $2k dac, a $2k amp, and a $2k pair of phones and upgraded just the DAC to a $6k DAC, I might hear a little bit of difference.  If I upgraded just the amp to a $6k amp, I would hear quite a good improvement.  If I upgraded just the headphones to a $6k pair of headphones I would hear a huge improvement.  Obviously it's nice to have ALL great gear, but personally, I believe the biggest amount of difference can be attributed to the cans on the end.  That's why I'm mostly considering a really expensive headphone over a really expensive dac or amp.  But that's just me.

 

Yeah, I prefer moving around (usually pacing back and forth as long as no one's watching) while listening to music.

 

If your other gear (gear is my favorite audio-related word!) is good enough for the headphones, you've got nothing to worry about - and it's only up from there.

post #1173 of 1678

Since there are a lot of rave reviews about the Abyss / Liquid Gold pairing, I would really like to hear them on Cavalli Audio's new portable amp (If they ever release the damn thing)

post #1174 of 1678
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post
 

Since there are a lot of rave reviews about the Abyss / Liquid Gold pairing, I would really like to hear them on Cavalli Audio's new portable amp (If they ever release the damn thing)


Alex told me (yes, I'm in contact with all these people, lol) this about the portable amp: "Soooo slow, but coming. Don't know when the contest will be though." (The winner of the naming contest will receive one for free. Don't bother entering. I have the perfect name and plan to win!)

 

Here are a few links reviewing the Abyss/234 combo:

http://www.cnet.com/news/woo-234-mono-a-very-different-kind-of-amplifier/
http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2013/10/13/rmaf-2013-woo-audio-goes-insane/

 

And two posts here from members who liked the Abyss only through that amp:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/666765/the-jps-labs-abyss-ab-1266-appreciation-and-impressions-thread/810#post_9999021
http://www.head-fi.org/t/713309/best-listening-experience-you-ever-had#post_10493829


Edited by Music Alchemist - 7/16/14 at 4:19am
post #1175 of 1678

I also have the perfect plan to win that Cavalli Amp - come up with a better name than you :P

 

Umm yeah I'll have to make sure I never hear that WOO + Abyss setup.  Otherwise I'll just be depressed because I could never have it :P

 

I like the unboxing video the guy in that RMAF article did...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lny-Qcb_2FI

post #1176 of 1678

Hi guys.

 

Just wanted to share my last experiances with Abyss. I had a LiAu for a few weeks. Heard my abyss throw esoteric p70 and auralic vega. I found it good, but not a combination for me to stop beeing guest here ;-).

At this moment i hear my abyss directly from totaldac d1 dual via xlr output (totaldac has excellent volume regulation) and i must say it is overall as good as my stax sr009 with woo audio (psvane el34) with totaldac as a source. Acoustic instruments sound very naturally, great scene, no grain in highs at all, naturall bass with much texture, not a pamp. Beethoven String quartets sounded better only with mbl system. I could hear the wood, and the strings from cello. For me one of the best HP system i heard.

Maybye totaldac and LiAU and the abyss would sound better i do not know.

On this weekend i  will receive a d1 streamer and i am very curious how much better it could be.

 

Pawel

post #1177 of 1678
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Originally Posted by Cortazar View Post
 

Hi guys.

 

Just wanted to share my last experiances with Abyss. I had a LiAu for a few weeks. Heard my abyss throw esoteric p70 and auralic vega. I found it good, but not a combination for me to stop beeing guest here ;-).

At this moment i hear my abyss directly from totaldac d1 dual via xlr output (totaldac has excellent volume regulation) and i must say it is overall as good as my stax sr009 with woo audio (psvane el34) with totaldac as a source. Acoustic instruments sound very naturally, great scene, no grain in highs at all, naturall bass with much texture, not a pamp. Beethoven String quartets sounded better only with mbl system. I could hear the wood, and the strings from cello. For me one of the best HP system i heard.

Maybye totaldac and LiAU and the abyss would sound better i do not know.

On this weekend i  will receive a d1 streamer and i am very curious how much better it could be.

 

Pawel

 

I am especially interested in talking to more people who own both the SR-009 and Abyss, so I'm glad to hear from you.

 

Can you go into any more detail about the differences you hear between them?

post #1178 of 1678

I hear abyss with totaldac just for 3 days now, so i need some time and head to head comparison (wchich i will do) to write much more.

Till now i was not really pleased with abyss. With LiAu i found them lacking detail and highs-class compared to stax. What i lacked in Stax was to relly see and feel instruments, ''the body or meat'' (i hear only jazz and classic, and mostly acoustic instruments). With abyss and cavalli and vega as a source i found it a little bit boring. The magic i know from stax was not there.

I seriously considered selling the abyss, but now i know it is about the implementation. And abyss has a great potential. I really hope with totaldac and EC 445 combo (for which i wait) it would be my holy grail.

If i should choose i would choose both ;-).

 

 

Pawel

post #1179 of 1678
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Originally Posted by Cortazar View Post
 

I hear abyss with totaldac just for 3 days now, so i need some time and head to head comparison (wchich i will do) to write much more.

Till now i was not really pleased with abyss. With LiAu i found them lacking detail and highs-class compared to stax. What i lacked in Stax was to relly see and feel instruments, ''the body or meat'' (i hear only jazz and classic, and mostly acoustic instruments). With abyss and cavalli and vega as a source i found it a little bit boring. The magic i know from stax was not there.

I seriously considered selling the abyss, but now i know it is about the implementation. And abyss has a great potential. I really hope with totaldac and EC 445 combo (for which i wait) it would be my holy grail.

If i should choose i would choose both ;-).

 

 

Pawel

 

What amp are you using? Correct me if I'm mistaken; I thought the totaldac d1-dual was just a DAC, not an amp.

post #1180 of 1678

That is correct. Totaldac ist a dac with  volume regulation (preamp) and you can use it with headphones directly vial its xlr output!

That means no amp at all.

post #1181 of 1678
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Originally Posted by Cortazar View Post
 

That is correct. Totaldac ist a dac with  volume regulation (preamp) and you can use it with headphones directly vial its xlr output!

That means no amp at all.

 

Wow, that's surprising. A DAC with a built-in preamp can sound better than a dedicated amp. But it does cost over $13,000, so it's nice to have that feature. It must be really powerful to drive the Abyss so well. For all intents and purposes, it seems to be a DAC + amp that can be used with most headphones.

 

Once you are able to connect the totaldac to amps with the Abyss, come back here and let us know how it measures up.

 

Is your Woo amp the WES?


Edited by Music Alchemist - 7/17/14 at 3:25am
post #1182 of 1678

Yes i have woo audio wes for my sr 009. Once again, i do not know how a LiAu cavalli would sound with abyss and totaldac as a source, maybe much better then totaldac and abyss without an amp. I will be able to compare a combination with and without EC 445 in about 2 months when my amp arrives. I will certainly let you know.

Totaldac is really an exceptional source! And it costs without d1 server, and as i use it at the moment only with my macbook and amarra plus) 9000 Euro, not 14000.

For me it outperformed dcs puccini too. (but i did not compare it directly)

post #1183 of 1678
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Originally Posted by Cortazar View Post
 

Yes i have woo audio wes for my sr 009. Once again, i do not know how a LiAu cavalli would sound with abyss and totaldac as a source, maybe much better then totaldac and abyss without an amp. I will be able to compare a combination with and without EC 445 in about 2 months when my amp arrives. I will certainly let you know.

Totaldac is really an exceptional source! And it costs without d1 server, and as i use it at the moment only with my macbook and amarra plus) 9000 Euro, not 14000.

For me it outperformed dcs puccini too. (but i did not compare it directly)

 

So we'll have to wait months to find out more? :( Wish you had more amps on hand...

 

My mistake. It's 9,100 EUR, which is about 12,312 USD. (I neglected to exclude VAT.)

 

Speaking of dCS, many people consider the Vivaldi Digital Playback System to be the best-sounding source they've ever heard. I highly doubt it would beat that.

post #1184 of 1678

In the nex weeks i will be hearing abyss throw hifiman adapter and sunaudio 300B SE (i had it repaired as it didnot survived the postage). I know from Piotr Ryka (see hifiphilosophy.com) that orthoplanar sound very good with 300B SET. We will see.

So you will not have to wait for  months :-)

Well i did not hear vivaldi stack but i am still impresed how much a good source can do (totaldac). I have had some good sources in my systems ( linn ikemi, accuphase 75v, krell 280cd, dcs puccini auralic vega) and it was always a small step ahead, but totaldac was more a jump than a step.

The combo stax sr009 - woo audio wes is a very good one, but it lets me still looking for improvement (ebay, audiogon etc. it costs my time, money and nerves) With abyss throw totaldac i had the 1 time for a long time a feeling i am near at my goal. I really hope that a combination totaldac + d1 server + EC 445 will let me forget that it always can be better and that i can just enjoy the music und visit this forum once a week or so and not every few hours ;-)

From what i heard yet without an amp i believe it is possible.

post #1185 of 1678
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Originally Posted by VisceriousZERO View Post
 

First day of the 2013 Manila Hi-Fi Show just ended. I brought the Abyss to the local head-fiers.

 

I call this piece, "Faces of the Abyss"
 


 


Can you tell me what name brand amp, dac, interconnects, and power cords are used here with the Abyss?

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