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post #1141 of 1187
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post
 

I think he meant that the TH-900 was his favourite for bass before hearing these.  English is his second language so maybe don't read everything too carefully.

I can back up the soundstage comment.  People always go on about soundstage and placement and how much air there is between stuff.  To be honest, I never thought headphones had or could have a good soundstage, but as soon as I put on the Abyss it was the first thing I noticed.  It's really quite something else. 

 

Like you, from what I understand, most people who have heard both the Abyss and 009, say that the Abyss is the winner in terms of bass and soundstage, and the 009 is the winner in terms of the detail and mids.  Some people find the 009's too bright, some find the Abyss lacking in 'detail' (by comparison).  It comes down to personal preference.  I have found over the years that what some people call "detail" or "clarity", I call "hurts my ears".  I work in construction and maybe a certain part of my hearing has deteriorated and that makes the midrange extra harsh for me personally.  At the end of the day, most people's impressions and descriptions are probably about right, but it depends on your personal taste.

 

Hm, maybe. It's just that he said the TH-900 was his overall favorite in the K812 thread as well.

 

Emphasized treble can be mistaken as detail, but even with my limited experience, I have found that real detail comes through when everything is more controlled and focused, and you notice things you never did before. For example, I recently replaced a headphone cable (brand new vs years old of the same one). The treble used to get rather sibilant with certain material. Now, there is more treble quantity, but higher quality as well. Think smooth, yet solid and soaring. Just today, I heard background vocals I didn't even know were in a song. And what I thought was a lone guitar was actually a guitar and keyboard playing the same melody! (Those are two out of countless examples to illustrate my point of the benefits of a controlled sound with real instead of artificial detail.) With (what I now know to be) the harsher distortion of the old cable, it was so much more difficult to distinguish such things.

 

Very true about personal taste. I plan on collecting all these headphones some day! I'm sure I would love them all for the things they excel at, though I get the feeling the Abyss would be the closest to the sound I am looking for.

post #1142 of 1187

It would be nice to be able to collect them all, but it ends up being a very expensive hobby.  I'd like to have one pair of headphones that I absolutely love rather than 3 pairs that I like quite a bit.  I can understand if people are working off other's impressions trying to decide what to add to their collection next, but if you were just trying to find one endgame solution to suit you - potentially spending up to 5 figures on a setup, if you couldn't have a listen to them anywhere near you, I'd probably get on a plane and go to somewhere where you can listen to them.  I mean, if you spend that sort of money, then realise you've made the wrong decision and sell, you've just lost more than what you would have spent to go and audition them in the first place.  ...IMO

post #1143 of 1187
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post

What unit of measurement do you use for that?  

Probably about 35 better

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Originally Posted by up late View Post


about 5k better
I doubt it.
post #1144 of 1187
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post

I work in construction and maybe a certain part of my hearing has deteriorated and that makes the midrange extra harsh for me personally.

 

I'd certainly recommend a hearing check at audiologist because if this was the unfortunate result of overexposure to sudden peak noise levels (which I expect to happen on construction sites) else long exposures to relatively loud noise (which I also expect to happen on construction sites), further exposure to such loud environment without hearing protection could make the problem even worse with time.

 

For instance, let's assume you suffered from hyperacousis: you would then have lost some of your ears "elasticity" and be unable to adjust to louder sounds. Effectively, your threshold of pain would have decreased such that what used to be bearable has become painful to hear.

 

The problem with hyperacousis is that I believe it can get worse with subsequent overexposure until finally hearing loss catches up (once you're deaf at these frequencies, having them loud doesn't matter to you anymore).

 

People typically believe the main result of overexposure to noise is decrease in sensitivity of hearing, but this case it quite the opposite. Not the opposite really but result is (any headphone with healthy does of midrange / upper midrange would sound grating above mild level).

 

I am not sure if audiologist can easily detect the amount of hyperacousis but at least an audiogram would reveal something fishy. 

 

Now, not to freak out: an SR009 can easily sound brittle when fed with inappropriate source or material OR listened at higher SPL levels, which is why not all like this headphone.

post #1145 of 1187
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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post


I doubt it.

well you asked the question
post #1146 of 1187
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Originally Posted by up late View Post

well you asked the question
lol, ok.
I just wanted not to be too sad because i will never be able to afford the Abyss, so i was hoping they were not that much better.
post #1147 of 1187
it wasn't a serious answer man. but you prolly shouldn't 'hang here coz it's only gonna break your heart. wink.gif
post #1148 of 1187
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post
 

It would be nice to be able to collect them all, but it ends up being a very expensive hobby.  I'd like to have one pair of headphones that I absolutely love rather than 3 pairs that I like quite a bit.  I can understand if people are working off other's impressions trying to decide what to add to their collection next, but if you were just trying to find one endgame solution to suit you - potentially spending up to 5 figures on a setup, if you couldn't have a listen to them anywhere near you, I'd probably get on a plane and go to somewhere where you can listen to them.  I mean, if you spend that sort of money, then realise you've made the wrong decision and sell, you've just lost more than what you would have spent to go and audition them in the first place.  ...IMO

 

Take a look at my wish list and you'll see that low price and good value are the last thing I'm concerned about. :veryevil:

 

Once I'm able to easily afford them, I would rather give away the ones I don't want anymore to either friends or strangers who impress me. (Some things are worth more than money.) This scenario is less likely due to the fact that each audio component I desire is based on researching its ability to provide either a superior or unique experience.

 

Anyway, I totally get what you're saying. Love is stronger than like. It's gonna be awesome to give everything my personal ranking in reviews after I chalk up enough expertise!


Edited by Music Alchemist - 7/10/14 at 10:13am
post #1149 of 1187
So in my opinion i think the ABYSS AB 1266 has the BIGGEST CHANCE to be A LEGEND since the ORPHEUS and AKG'S K1000 because this headphones are very very UNIQUE!!!

REGARDS nomax
post #1150 of 1187
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Originally Posted by arnaud View Post
 

 

I'd certainly recommend a hearing check at audiologist because if this was the unfortunate result of overexposure to sudden peak noise levels (which I expect to happen on construction sites) else long exposures to relatively loud noise (which I also expect to happen on construction sites), further exposure to such loud environment without hearing protection could make the problem even worse with time.

 

For instance, let's assume you suffered from hyperacousis: you would then have lost some of your ears "elasticity" and be unable to adjust to louder sounds. Effectively, your threshold of pain would have decreased such that what used to be bearable has become painful to hear.

 

The problem with hyperacousis is that I believe it can get worse with subsequent overexposure until finally hearing loss catches up (once you're deaf at these frequencies, having them loud doesn't matter to you anymore).

 

People typically believe the main result of overexposure to noise is decrease in sensitivity of hearing, but this case it quite the opposite. Not the opposite really but result is (any headphone with healthy does of midrange / upper midrange would sound grating above mild level).

 

I am not sure if audiologist can easily detect the amount of hyperacousis but at least an audiogram would reveal something fishy. 

 

Now, not to freak out: an SR009 can easily sound brittle when fed with inappropriate source or material OR listened at higher SPL levels, which is why not all like this headphone.

Yeah loud tools that never used to annoy me, annoy me a lot now.  I always wear earplugs more often than most people would while I am at work and when I go to concerts.  Not much you can really do about hearing damage (besides prevention) so I've never seen anyone about it.  

 

However, the point I was trying to make was that everyone hears things differently so even if 90% of people love the sound of something, doesn't necessarily mean you will love it too.  Years ago I was more into home stereo gear and did plenty of research and had pretty much made up my mind on a pair of speakers that were about $6500 I think.  I found a place locally that had them for audition and went in to have a listen, even though I felt that I had read enough about them, and I knew they were going to be the best and I would love them (because everyone else rated them so highly).  In their listening room they had 2 other pairs of speakers to audition them against, and to my surprise, I didn't really like them at all, and preferred another pair that I'd never heard of, that were $2000 cheaper.  I also got the demo model, which was another $1000 cheaper again.  So if I went by other's listening experiences, I would have spent almost double and ended up with something that I liked half as much.

post #1151 of 1187

In case some of you weren't aware, the complete official name is actually Abyss Headphones AB-1266. Joe Skubinski himself told me this.

 

Everything else about this headphone is unconventional, so it isn't too out of place for them to decide to put the word "headphones" in the name of a headphone model, lol...

 

It can't help but be a little awkward, though. Imagine if Lexus called themselves Lexus Cars. It would come off as silly and destroy some of the appeal of the luxury brand.

 

In this case, however, it helps them stand apart and may even increase their exclusivity, for better or for worse. (Just look at that seductive blue box with the logo!)

 

Most people just call them the Abyss anyway. If new models are released under the Abyss Headphones brand, it will cause further confusion due to this fact.


Edited by Music Alchemist - 7/15/14 at 12:54am
post #1152 of 1187

I guess they will just call it the Abyss Headphone AB-1566 or something.  

You're right though, it is a bit odd.

post #1153 of 1187
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post
 

I guess they will just call it the Abyss Headphone AB-1566 or something.  

You're right though, it is a bit odd.

 

Maybe if they keep the driver size:

 

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Originally Posted by Joe Skubinski View Post


The AB part is short for Abyss, and 12 is the year 2012 when we finally arrived at the driver design. We continued to optimize it until we felt it was the absolute best we could achieve. 66 is the active driver diameter in mm.

smiley_abyss1.gif

 

...but I hope it's something more creative next time around. (What I mean is that the naming idea is creative, but repeating it wouldn't be.)


Edited by Music Alchemist - 7/15/14 at 12:50am
post #1154 of 1187

Has Joe given any indication that there will be another model out in the foreseeable future?  I mean it took 5 years before they were happy with this one, so you have to wonder - have they kept trying to improve on their design after it was released or have they taken a step back for a while too see if it's viable to continue down the same path.

post #1155 of 1187
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post
 

Has Joe given any indication that there will be another model out in the foreseeable future?  I mean it took 5 years before they were happy with this one, so you have to wonder - have they kept trying to improve on their design after it was released or have they taken a step back for a while too see if it's viable to continue down the same path.

 

Yes. Future models are a "work in progress." I couldn't squeeze anything else out of him.

 

He is surprisingly pleasurable to talk to on the phone and has a great sense of humor and breadth of knowledge. JPS Labs has been around since 1990!

 

I heard rumors (possibly in this thread, I don't recall) that the next model will have a similar sound signature but be significantly less costly.

 

As for the release date, I'm not holding my breath. I'm almost certain it won't be nearly as good in terms of build and sound quality. May still get both though!


Edited by Music Alchemist - 7/15/14 at 2:27am
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