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post #1006 of 5058

hey holeout have you tried listening to the abyss on your wa7 by any chance and if yes was it a decent listen? thx in advance.

post #1007 of 5058

Yes I have. IMO, WA 7 is under powered to driver the Abyss. I have to turn the volume to 4 o'clock to get to a reasonable listening level, and still the stage size, impact and scale is limited compared to what the Mass Kobo 394 and LAu can deliver. The mids to mid-highs is quite nice though on the WA7.

post #1008 of 5058

thx man for the insight. i actually plug my classe audio omega pre amp into the rca input of the wa7 finding the sound better in every way but at the same time gives me access to a lot more gain. bought my wa7D with the new tube psu at the montreal audio show last month with a pair of HD800. its a nice setup but not close enough to my main speaker rig yet :) how would you compare the HD800 and abysss on the same amps? and have you upgraded the cable on your HD800? sorry for all the questions but your experience is very valuable to me :) thx in advance.

post #1009 of 5058

Good for you! I have my eyes on the WA7 tube PSU since they displayed it a few months back, will definitely get it once it's available for order. With a bit more gain and the new PSU, I feel the WA7 may be able to drive the Abyss marginally better than current stock. However, I do feel that Abyss do like higher current amps and so far from what I heard, the Abyss pair well mainly with solid state amps. I do think you'll have a good time with this setup on the HD800. 

 

IMO HD800 and Abyss represent the top in it class (i.e. dynamic and planar phones), and they are two different animals. Without going into a full blown thesis, the HD800 pulls me into the music stage with all the glorious details for hours on end; whereas, Abyss engages me with exceptional details, layering and sonic impact that come closer to a speaker setup that no other phone can offer currently. Of course, both of these phones are notorious for amp pairing and any change/tweaks to the chain can scale the experience up or down.

 

For the HD800, I have the Cardas Clear and Siltech Duchess Crown cables and personally I prefer the Siltech in terms with definition, timbre and coherence. Also waiting for delivery on the SAA Endorphin and will also pull the plug on the DHC Complement 3, I'll be making some adaptors so that I can use it on both the HD800 and LCDs to test out.

post #1010 of 5058

cool would love your opinion on the endorphin cable was considering it. for you whats the best amp for hd800?

post #1011 of 5058

PMed

post #1012 of 5058
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Originally Posted by holeout View Post

Yes I have. IMO, WA 7 is under powered to driver the Abyss. I have to turn the volume to 4 o'clock to get to a reasonable listening level, and still the stage size, impact and scale is limited compared to what the Mass Kobo 394 and LAu can deliver. The mids to mid-highs is quite nice though on the WA7.

Can you please Share Which ones from these Two Amps LAU or Mass Ko Bo 394 has more Power to drive Abyss ?
Which amp is brighter and has more detail and better bass impact ?
Thank you
post #1013 of 5058

Are there any Abyss owners out there that will run them happily from a portable dac/amp?  I know ideally you probably want a monster of a desktop system to get the absolute best out of them, but I've heard from a few places that the desktop combo of the Schiit Gungnir/Mjolnir is a perfectly acceptable (more budget) combo for running them and wondered if since there is portable gear out there around the same price point, if any of it might be considered, well, not a waste of time.  Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post


Can you please Share Which ones from these Two Amps LAU or Mass Ko Bo 394 has more Power to drive Abyss ?
Which amp is brighter and has more detail and better bass impact ?
Thank you

IMO, with regards to power for driving the Abyss, LAu definitely has the upper hand - even on large orchestrational passages, there is a sense of calmness with no signs of compression or collapse in stage. Have said that, the 394 is not far behind - just not as calm, cool and collected as the LAu at the extremities.

 

Between the 2 amps, 394 is the "brighter" one. But I wouldn't call it bright, instead the trebles being more forward and transparent. I have no problem with brightness when driving the HD800 with the 394, the HF sounded natural with excellent extension, one of the best treble I heard on HD800. On the LAu, the HF sounded to be layered further back and not as immediate as the 394.

 

Details are abundant on both amps, just a matter of different presentation. I can't pick one over another.

 

The LAu / Abyss is the best combo that I heard so far in terms of bass impact. Paired with the LAu, I can really see why they call Abyss "Ear Speakers"! 

 

I recently replaced the stock Foundation shelving for the LAu with 1" acrylic shelf I've had made (stock one should be acrylic painted MDF), and the LAu sounded much better to me - more open treble with improved transparency and definition. That the love/hate part of hi-quality audio components, a small change here and there can have such an effect on SQ, it really takes time, patience, experience and passion to fine tune the system to ones preference...

 

post #1015 of 5058
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post
 

Are there any Abyss owners out there that will run them happily from a portable dac/amp?  I know ideally you probably want a monster of a desktop system to get the absolute best out of them, but I've heard from a few places that the desktop combo of the Schiit Gungnir/Mjolnir is a perfectly acceptable (more budget) combo for running them and wondered if since there is portable gear out there around the same price point, if any of it might be considered, well, not a waste of time.  Any thoughts?

The only portable dac/amp i heard that can drive the Abyss OK is the Chord Hugo. I have to turn the volume almost full to get it to a decent sonic level. Of course, I don't think this is doing the Abyss full justice.

post #1016 of 5058
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Originally Posted by holeout View Post

IMO, with regards to power for driving the Abyss, LAu definitely has the upper hand - even on large orchestrational passages, there is a sense of calmness with no signs of compression or collapse in stage. Have said that, the 394 is not far behind - just not as calm, cool and collected as the LAu at the extremities.

Between the 2 amps, 394 is the "brighter" one. But I wouldn't call it bright, instead the trebles being more forward and transparent. I have no problem with brightness when driving the HD800 with the 394, the HF sounded natural with excellent extension, one of the best treble I heard on HD800. On the LAu, the HF sounded to be layered further back and not as immediate as the 394.

Details are abundant on both amps, just a matter of different presentation. I can't pick one over another.

The LAu / Abyss is the best combo that I heard so far in terms of bass impact. Paired with the LAu, I can really see why they call Abyss "Ear Speakers"! 

I recently replaced the stock Foundation shelving for the LAu with 1" acrylic shelf I've had made (stock one should be acrylic painted MDF), and the LAu sounded much better to me - more open treble with improved transparency and definition. That the love/hate part of hi-quality audio components, a small change here and there can have such an effect on SQ, it really takes time, patience, experience and passion to fine tune the system to ones preference...



Thank you for your impression
post #1017 of 5058
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post

Are there any Abyss owners out there that will run them happily from a portable dac/amp?  I know ideally you probably want a monster of a desktop system to get the absolute best out of them, but I've heard from a few places that the desktop combo of the Schiit Gungnir/Mjolnir is a perfectly acceptable (more budget) combo for running them and wondered if since there is portable gear out there around the same price point, if any of it might be considered, well, not a waste of time.  Any thoughts?

My best portable set up pair with Abyss :

Source : iPhone 4 s / iPhone 5 s
Dac : cypher labs class solo original
Amp : ALO Rx 3 B
Cable : use balance 4 pin to RSA




Edited by rudi0504 - 4/24/14 at 10:10am
post #1018 of 5058
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Originally Posted by holeout View Post

The only portable dac/amp i heard that can drive the Abyss OK is the Chord Hugo. I have to turn the volume almost full to get it to a decent sonic level. Of course, I don't think this is doing the Abyss full justice.

I am agree with you about chord Hugo



post #1019 of 5058

Well that's actually really pretty good news for me about the Algorhythm solo / Rx 3B combo... 
The reason I asked about this is because I auditioned a few Audeze headphones a little while ago and really liked the sound of the LCD-X.  At the time I was listening to them off my ipod, through an Algorhythm solo and an Rx3B amp.

The store I was at also had a pair of Abyss set up for demo on some very expensive gear that the salesman insisted I listened to.  I loved it, of course, but didn't give it any real consideration at the time because of the price.  At this point I figured if you're going to spend that much on a pair of headphones, the only way to run them would be off an amp and dac in roughly the same price range.  I've since found out that this is not necessarily the case.

What I was trying to work out, is, if I could get the LCD-X with an amp and dac that would also be acceptable for running a pair of Abyss (just in case one day I could afford them).  Then it would make the upgrade a lot more possible if the only thing I had to buy was the headphones rather than a whole new setup.

Rudi0504, if you are using the original Algorhythm solo, does that mean you're not running them balanced for a reason?

post #1020 of 5058
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Originally Posted by mulder01 View Post

Well that's actually really pretty good news for me about the Algorhythm solo / Rx 3B combo... 

The reason I asked about this is because I auditioned a few Audeze headphones a little while ago and really liked the sound of the LCD-X.  At the time I was listening to them off my ipod, through an Algorhythm solo and an Rx3B amp.
The store I was at also had a pair of Abyss set up for demo on some very expensive gear that the salesman insisted I listened to.  I loved it, of course, but didn't give it any real consideration at the time because of the price.  At this point I figured if you're going to spend that much on a pair of headphones, the only way to run them would be off an amp and dac in roughly the same price range.  I've since found out that this is not necessarily the case.
What I was trying to work out, is, if I could get the LCD-X with an amp and dac that would also be acceptable for running a pair of Abyss (just in case one day I could afford them).  Then it would make the upgrade a lot more possible if the only thing I had to buy was the headphones rather than a whole new setup.
Rudi0504, if you are using the original Algorhythm solo, does that mean you're not running them balanced for a reason?

Hi Mulder

Yes in this set up I use SE for my input , but I use balance out for my abyss

Cypher labs class solo original has the highest gain compare to Class DB , that's why I chose as Dac

IMO
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