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post #856 of 3003
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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post

For low to moderate listening levels, would it be worth it to get an E09k to go with my E17 for my T50rp? Even considering that I only listen at medium gain at about half volume? 

I notice a definite difference between the Mad Dog 3.2 unamped from my Note 2 vs the E17 feeding into the Mad Dog 3.2 vs the E17/E09K going into the Mad Dog 3.2.

 

I doubt any of these is optimal for the Mad Dog, but the sound improves to my ears.  (though truth be told, even unamped, it sounds quite good - and that's how I'm listening as I write this)

 

If you have the money though, the E09K is a good upgrade - it also seems to fix the occasional problem of interference/static/etc that I sometimes hear from the E17 on its own when using it as a DAC/AMP.

 

Would definitely love to try these out with higher end amps - though it's hard to beat the E17 for portability and utility.

post #857 of 3003
Thread Starter 
The he6 needs a ridiculous amount of power. I underpowered the he4 for almost a year before I finally put some real juice to it and it became a different HP.
post #858 of 3003
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

The he6 needs a ridiculous amount of power. I underpowered the he4 for almost a year before I finally put some real juice to it and it became a different HP.

 

Oh, for sure. I was pairing it with my 50wpc, 100wpc, and 300 wpc amps. The problem is none of these amps have the finesse needed for the HE-6, IMO. 


Edited by Greed - 7/22/13 at 5:33pm
post #859 of 3003
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post

If there were one headphone at a given price point which everyone agreed was absolutely quantitatively and subjectively superior the market would certainly be simpler. The same is true for technology; not everyone prefers orthos to dynamic, or electrostatic to orthos for that matter. 

 

It sounds like ASR generally doesn't click with the orthos, and obviously many people who use and love orthos have a different POV.  So I appreciate ASR's words about the accuracy and performance of the Mad Dog, and thanks for sharing!  

 

I hope we can lure you to the dark side of ortho's some day.  And remember, we have cookies....

 

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Alternatively. The dog could go quite rabid and build an electrostat in house push it out the door between 1-1.5K$ and cover the whole spread:)

 

Now, just what is wholesale on an ESP950?  Tweaked amp, wood or metal cups and away we gowink_face.gif

post #860 of 3003
Thread Starter 

After chasing the perfect hp amp for two years, I went to the meet in Atlanta where I got to sample lots of gear in the course of an afternoon. I heard lot's of amps that easily bested the lyr, which at the time was end game for me (don't get me wrong, I love the lyr still). But while those amps had all the power and refinement that I'd always looked for, bottom line they weren't in my budget. Not even close to what I was able to afford.

 

Then I noticed that several guys were huddled around a vintage receiver/amp someone had brought. I was curious and went over and talked with Michael about his vintage amp. He talked to me about the specs and features and I was even more curious about what the "old steel beauty" was capable of. I asked if I could try my Maddog with the Sansui receiver. He obliged. I couldn't believe the sound that came out of the maddogs. How was it possible that this 35 year old receiver could make the maddogs sound better than my prized lyr with cherry picked tubes. But yet, it did. I ran back to my bag to grab my hd650's. I asked Michael if the Sansui would be too much power for my 650's. "Oh not all, just hit the -20db button and you'll be all set," he says. I got the same improvement with the 650. 

 

I knew then that I must have myself one of these aged beast. I found the very same Sansui 9090 I listened to at the meet just 3.5 hours from my home in Atlanta. So I drove 7+ hours in the pouring rain to some dudes double wide in Sevierville TN. After I offered to fix his ailing PC as part of a barter, I walked out of there with one of the best hp amps I'd ever heard for $150. beerchug.gif I felt like I'd just won the lottery. 

 

(Sansui top)

 

IMO the maddog loves power and scales well with an amp that has refined power. The old amps do this so very well. 

 

My point is that there are other ways to get the most of out orthos and the MD in particular seems to love vintage amps. Consider what they bring to the table:

 

*gobs of refined power perfect for MD and other orthos (turned my he-4 into everything I'd always hoped it would be)

*triple tone control (bass, treble and mids)

*dual hp jacks-great for auditioning 2 hp's at the same time

*works with low and high impedance hp's

*variable but usually can be had for moderately low prices

*they can also seriously rock a set of hard to drive speakers

 

Cons:

 

*they are huge-my Sansui weighs 50+ pounds and would register on the richter scale if it were to fall over

*no warranty and may need repair

post #861 of 3003

this sansui, is it a tube amp?  

what parameters/features in this (type of) amp creates the magic with a maddog in your view?

post #862 of 3003

Those Sansui 9090 are going for some good money on ebay. Nothing on Craigslist in my area either.

post #863 of 3003
OT but the HE6 needs something with a solid power supply. Vintage iron is a great combo with both the Maddogs and the HE6.

The heavier, the better in this scenario.
post #864 of 3003
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Lorspeaker View Post

this sansui, is it a tube amp?  

what parameters/features in this (type of) amp creates the magic with a maddog in your view?

 

The Sansui and most of the good vintage amps use the same output stage to the headphone jack that is used for the speakers. It's serious power but elegant and controlled. I've always said that the MD has great linear bass. But with the Sansui there is another level of weight and texture to the bass (please realize that this is just my impressions, but after using the lyr for many months and then plugging into the Sansui that day my ears seems to be prepared to hear the change...I was really locked into what the MD sounded like with the lyr). 

 

I knew almost nothing about the vintage amp that day and had no predisposed expectations. I actually was thinking to myself that there was no way this old amp would sound as good as the lyr. The mids on the Sansui are about the same as the lyr. The treble is improved. Just silky smooth and effortless...wonderfully extended without ever being harsh. 

post #865 of 3003

I've always run my MD out of vintage gear when I'm away from my computer setup. It works wonders for the thing.

post #866 of 3003
Hey vintage guys, headphone out or speaker taps?
post #867 of 3003
How about both?

But most headphones should happily sing with the headphone out baring some monster headphones.
post #868 of 3003
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

Hey vintage guys, headphone out or speaker taps?

Let me restate lest we stray too far from topic - HP out or speaker taps for the MD's
post #869 of 3003
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

Hey vintage guys, headphone out or speaker taps?

Headphone out.

And trust this - most vintage amps will drive most any headphone well. I'd love to hear how the HE-6 responds to vintage.
post #870 of 3003
It responds beautifully Oregonian, I ended up with 6 vintage amps chasing power for the HE6 but it was totally worth it. A vintage Sherwood S7110A in pristine condition is the dogs balls and plays nice with the Maddogs too.
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