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This is like the Heir thread, he writes some bad stuff and you all attack himrolleyes.gif

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I don't think that anyone attacked him, but simply responded without malice involved. You really can't expect to say things like, "I don't find orthodynamic hp's musical" without a response. Come on, this is headfi. biggrin.gif

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I don't think that anyone attacked him, but simply responded without malice involved. You really can't expect to say things like, "I don't find orthodynamic hp's musical" without a response. Come on, this is headfi. biggrin.gif

I guess, but it is his opinion, even if he doesn't want to explain it further. 

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Does this include the Hifiman's offering confused.gif

 

Not sure, I didn't ask. I'm guessing it excluded the HE-6 since that is a neutrality monster, IMO. Orthos still have a ways to go though to be as "airy" as dynamic or electrostatic can be. 

 

YMMV. 

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I guess, but it is his opinion, even if he doesn't want to explain it further. 


like everyone has an a.....e right?  No need to explain why I don't like yours and you don't like mine.  I can take that. tongue.gif

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If there were one headphone at a given price point which everyone agreed was absolutely quantitatively and subjectively superior the market would certainly be simpler. The same is true for technology; not everyone prefers orthos to dynamic, or electrostatic to orthos for that matter. 

 

It sounds like ASR generally doesn't click with the orthos, and obviously many people who use and love orthos have a different POV.  So I appreciate ASR's words about the accuracy and performance of the Mad Dog, and thanks for sharing!  

 

I hope we can lure you to the dark side of ortho's some day.  And remember, we have cookies....

 

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

Not sure, I didn't ask. I'm guessing it excluded the HE-6 since that is a neutrality monster, IMO. Orthos still have a ways to go though to be as "airy" as dynamic or electrostatic can be. 

 

YMMV. 

 

Well I didn't hear the LCD-2 (or 3 for that matters) but thick midrange and claustrophobic soundstage is often used to describe its sound, that's why I was suprised when you said planars in general.

 

IMO, the hifiman cans (planars but also iems, like the RE262) sound very airy. All their planars (which I own(ed)) sound more open than the Q-701 & DT-880 (which are the two open dynamics of "good" standart I own). I know these ain't the HD-800 or T1 though. 

 

Preproman heard all the headphones on earth, short of Staxes, so he might have a word on that wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

Well I didn't hear the LCD-2 (or 3 for that matters) but thick midrange and claustrophobic soundstage is often used to describe its sound, that's why I was suprised when you said planars in general.

 

IMO, the hifiman cans (planars but also iems, like the RE262) sound very airy. All their planars (which I own(ed)) sound more open than the Q-701 & DT-880 (which are the two open dynamics of "good" standart I own). I know these ain't the HD-800 or T1 though. 

 

Preproman heard all the headphones on earth, short of Staxes, so he might have a word on that wink.gif

 

IMO Hifimans does open and airy the right way.  Audeze on the other hand does not.  The HE-4, HE-5LE, HE-6, HE-5 are some of the best orthos out there when it comes to being open and airy.  Soundstage may not be as wide or deep as others but the speed and instrument separation is up there with the best of them - hands down.  

 

Hifimans and Audeze headphones are like total opposite in a lot of ways.

 

The HE-500 is the closes headphone hifiman has to the Audeze sound, still very different.  Lusher mids is what the HE-500s bring to the talbe where the other single number Hifimans mids are all clear, crisp and clean.  All orthos do not sound alike.

 

The Mad Dogs are doing great things and not soundings as closed in as the LCD-2.2 is one of them IMO..

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

Well I didn't hear the LCD-2 (or 3 for that matters) but thick midrange and claustrophobic soundstage is often used to describe its sound, that's why I was suprised when you said planars in general.

 

IMO, the hifiman cans (planars but also iems, like the RE262) sound very airy. All their planars (which I own(ed)) sound more open than the Q-701 & DT-880 (which are the two open dynamics of "good" standart I own). I know these ain't the HD-800 or T1 though. 

 

Preproman heard all the headphones on earth, short of Staxes, so he might have a word on that wink.gif

 

Well, don't mistake my words for my own because they are not. I love ortho sound, so thoughts like "not musical" or foreign to me. I was just looking at it from others' POVs. Those words are from people that I have talked to about the ortho sound. I agree though, for the neutral/airy etc. crowd, HiFiMan get as close as you're going to get, staying within the ortho realm. They are good even in the grand scheme of headphones, but personally don't think they stack up to the 007 MK I, 009, HD800, or T1, but those have their own faults. 

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It was uncalled for and unbecoming to call Asr's impressions as an advert for something else. There is having a different opinion and there is saying more about yourself.

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For those who can afford both, I highly recommend buying both.

 

Would if I could work out how a UK demo of the Dogs were possible!

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

Well, don't mistake my words for my own because they are not. I love ortho sound, so thoughts like "not musical" or foreign to me. I was just looking at it from others' POVs. Those words are from people that I have talked to about the ortho sound. I agree though, for the neutral/airy etc. crowd, HiFiMan get as close as you're going to get, staying within the ortho realm. They are good even in the grand scheme of headphones, but personally don't think they stack up to the 007 MK I, 009, HD800, or T1, but those have their own faults. 

 

T1's?  They stack up better in lots of way when compared to the T1's...  T1's are pretty good.  I like them a lot.  But they fall short in a lot of ways to the LCD-3, HE-6 (Ortho Flagships)

 

Of course IMO

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For low to moderate listening levels, would it be worth it to get an E09k to go with my E17 for my T50rp? Even considering that I only listen at medium gain at about half volume? 

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It was uncalled for and unbecoming to call Asr's impressions as an advert for something else. There is having a different opinion and there is saying more about yourself.
I agree. I also think readers there get raising awareness mixed up with promotional advertising.
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For low to moderate listening levels, would it be worth it to get an E09k to go with my E17 for my T50rp? Even considering that I only listen at medium gain at about half volume? 


Jasonb,

I don't own T50rp so I can't tell you either way.  When moving up from E17 to E9K, that you recommended to me for my Q701, to drive my HE500, there was definitely improvements.

If you twisted my arms for a %, I would venture to say 15% - 20% at most depending music genres.  You will notice more improvement in music with more mid, low bass.

And then there's the Emotiva for $189 ... wink.gif now that's serious improvement at most of my listening volumes.  I am looking into a MD also but waiting to test it out next month first.

The HE500 is too loud at the office.

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

T1's?  They stack up better in lots of way when compared to the T1's...  T1's are pretty good.  I like them a lot.  But they fall short in a lot of ways to the LCD-3, HE-6 (Ortho Flagships)

 

Of course IMO

 

I really need to give the HE-6 another go. I had them for a little over a week, and to be honest I wasn't totally impressed. I could tell the headphone was very good, but I don't think I unleashed its full potential. I tried it with a few different amps, but none really did it for me. That was about six months ago, and a lot has changed since then. If I get the chance to audition another set, I'm pretty sure my opinion will change on them. The HE-500 on the other hand was really good, and a very good value, IMO. After getting the LCD-3, I really didn't see the need to keep it.

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