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post #166 of 3001
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post #167 of 3001
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Originally Posted by lramirez1959 View Post

Anyone can give impression of the mad dogs paired with nuforce icon hdp ?

 

 

 

Not a big fan of the pairing.  I seem to have the same old issues I've always had with my HDP.  It just doesn't seem to have enough power.  The volume will get louder evenly up until around the 12 o'clock position from the screen capture above, and then it seems like the upper mids and trebles get a little bit louder the further I turn the knob, with the bass and lower mids staying the same and eventually being drowned out as the higher frequencies increase in volume. 

 

My normal listening levels with this dac/amp are typically at the 9 o'clock position, where the left and right channels are close to equal.  Anything lower than this and one side is louder than the other.  I have an older HDP, and there have definitely been some changes to the design since I bought this one.  The internals of mine are different from at least one other owner's.  Someone had asked me to check a switch position for a gain setting at some point, and mine didn't even have the switch they were referring to in their photo.  So who knows?  

 

As a comparison, while the HDP seems more like it is a blaring sound with emphasis on the upper mids and trebles when the volume is way up, at the 3 o'clock position, it is nowhere near as powerful sounding or as loud as my Asgard at the 11 o'clock position. (sitting flat with the volume control on the left).  I mean, while loud, it is far from painful even cranked up all the way on the HDP.  I didn't have my SPL meter on hand or I would have checked it.  I'd be surprised if it was any louder than 90 dB at most.  All of the other amps I have tried would blow a hole in my head if I turned the volume knob much over halfway. (O2, Asgard, desktop HeadRoom Micro Amp)  Even the Audioengine D1 dac/amp's headphone output is significantly more powerful, although it sounds worse to my ears.

 

That said, it does sound great and gets plenty loud enough 95% of the time I would listen with it.  It doesn't seem to be able to push the bass and lower mids adequately for my tastes at higher volume levels for short jamming sessions to a kick-butt part of a song or simply a favorite tune I might want to listen to a bit louder than I probably should safely do.  I am not certain if there might be a technical reason behind this or if my unit is not working correctly.  I do know that I was using the HDP for about a year before I finally switched to a different amp with specifications that seemed to offer more power with the headphones I was using at the time.  On the very first song I listened to with the HDP and the Mad Dogs, it was immediately apparent why my amp search was far from over with the HDP, and why I have moved on to other amps while retiring the HDP to DAC-only duties.

 

If you already have the HDP and enjoy it, than I can say that my HDP had the same characteristics with my Denon D5000, which are very easy to drive.  Chances are that if you are very happy with the HDP, then it would most likely work perfectly fine for you with the Mad Dogs.  I was not satisfied with the HDP, and the same issues I've always had with other headphones were observed with the Mad Dogs as well.

 

There are better options available than this pairing in my opinion.

post #168 of 3001

Definitely agree.

I really only liked the HDP when paired with my Sennheiser HD600s due to the Nuforce having a bright nature. As mentioned, not really that powerful either, as an amp my Schiit Magni does a WAY better job driving the Mad Dogs...

post #169 of 3001

How well do these pair with the fiio e17? Or am I going to have to pick up a mini schiit stack?

post #170 of 3001
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These need pretty good amount of juice to really sound there best. Not the e17 IMO. I think that you start to bring out their best at the Asgard 2 level. The A2 is actually quite good with the MD on high gain. 

post #171 of 3001
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

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I just received my Mad Dogs updated to 3.2, and with the shipping BALANCED wiring.  I had previously been beta testing a balanced set with a different (not nearly as nice) connector and cable.

 

The new set up is really nice - a mic cord type cable (Dan tells me twisted wires internally).  I don't know what brand it is - as thick as the thicker of the two mogami mic cables many use to recable with, but flexes and lays more like the thinner stuff.  Very, very nice look and feel.  Hirose connector like the ibasso balanced amps at the headphone, and a nice black Neutrik 4 pin XLR at the amp end.  Look and feel is outstanding to me.

 

As to sound, I've spent all of 1 minute with them, so I'll refrain from comment.  Previously, I felt that I heard a bit better control and impact with the balanced set up as opposed to SE.  Could just be placebo.  I am just starting into the balanced world.

 

If you are interested in going balanced, this is the best deal going for a balanced headphone, in my opinion.  Great look, feel, quality of workmanship.

 

I'll eventually get some uninterrupted time with them and report back on sonic impressions, as well as I am able.

 

 

 

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You upgraded to a 3.2, so changes you hear will not only be from the balanced wiring, but the internal upgrades as well. 

Understood, and very true.  I went from a pre-3.1/3.2 mod, and the difference does not appear huge.  Still, my impressions and comparisons will be completely subjective, no scientific data at all.  Different tuning, different balanced configuration, 4 or 5 days between listening, with a couple sessions with the HD650's in between.

 

I am also not 100% convinced that balanced offers concrete improvements over good single ended, but I feel the need to explore anyway.  If nothing else, a moderately priced balanced amp seems to be a very good moderately priced amp.  That and the fact that I have a balanced iBasso DB2/PB2 stack, and a balanced CEntrance HIFI-M8, whenever they finally start shipping (should be soon!?!?)

 

Also, regarding the balanced MD's, the upgraded hirose connector allows for more options for nice aftermarket cables, for those interested in such things.  The balanced upgrade is a worth while upgrade for the hirose connector and upgraded cable and recable options alone.  The fact that it is balance wired with whatever benefits that may bestow is the added bonus.  Definitely worth the $100 premium for the added work of installing the hirose, and the added benefit of having it.  Very, very nice craftsmanship on the upgrade.

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

 

 

Very nice!! Post a few pics when you can and of course your impressions once you have time to listen. 

 

I now have two very nice SE amps that I'm fond of. So going balanced would be rough. Selling it all and started over to buy something more expensive. Hmmm...I've never done that before. wink.gif

Will do, and see my notes above regarding balanced (jury is still out for me) and the options that the hirose connector allows.  That hirose connector is a really nice push on to lock, pull the collar to release connector.  I hear it is a bit of a bear to solder until you get the hang of it.  It is a really nice connector that allows some nice aftermarket cable options.


Edited by aamefford - 6/14/13 at 11:34am
post #172 of 3001
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

 

Understood, and very true.  I went from a pre-3.1/3.2 mod, and the difference does not appear huge.  Still, my impressions and comparisons will be completely subjective, no scientific data at all.  Different tuning, different balanced configuration, 4 or 5 days between listening, with a couple sessions with the HD650's in between.

 

I am also not 100% convinced that balanced offers concrete improvements over good single ended, but I feel the need to explore anyway.  If nothing else, a moderately priced balanced amp seems to be a very good moderately priced amp.  That and the fact that I have a balanced iBasso DB2/PB2 stack, and a balanced CEntrance HIFI-M8, whenever they finally start shipping (should be soon!?!?)

 

Also, regarding the balanced MD's, the upgraded hirose connector allows for more options for nice aftermarket cables, for those interested in such things.  The balanced upgrade is a worth while upgrade for the hirose connector and upgraded cable and recable options alone.  The fact that it is balance wired with whatever benefits that may bestow is the added bonus.  Definitely worth the $100 premium for the added work of installing the hirose, and the added benefit of having it.  Very, very nice craftsmanship on the upgrade.

Will do, and see my notes above regarding balanced (jury is still out for me) and the options that the hirose connector allows.  That hirose connector is a really nice push on to lock, pull the collar to release connector.  I hear it is a bit of a bear to solder until you get the hang of it.  It is a really nice connector that allows some nice aftermarket cable options.

Yes, it is not one of the easier connectors to solder, very small.  If anyone doing DIY cables wants the pinouts, it's standard:

 

1 = L+

2 = L-

3 = R+

4 = R-

 

Also, it's not actually a HiRose, it's from http://www.evalucon.com.  I picked them because they are very well made, affordable, and they offered a 4-pin option that is easier to solder than the HiRose, which starts with 6 pin.  The locking plug is part number SN-8-4(P).  Having a quality third hand with a good lens is very important, otherwise I wouldn't even attempt to solder these...

post #173 of 3001

For those that are listening to these on the Schiit Lyr, what tubes do you use/recommend? I've heard that the stock tubes are not the greatest and wanted to know if I should purchase any other tubes for the Lyr

post #174 of 3001

I think I remember reading in one of the threads concerning these headphones that the v-moda headphone cable is the way to go.  I can't find it now through all of the different pages.  Is ordering this cable for the Mad Dogs still considered the right thing?

post #175 of 3001
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For those that are listening to these on the Schiit Lyr, what tubes do you use/recommend? I've heard that the stock tubes are not the greatest and wanted to know if I should purchase any other tubes for the Lyr

 

Amperex Orange Globes from Mercedesman on ebay is a sure thing. 

post #176 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Terps Fan View Post

I think I remember reading in one of the threads concerning these headphones that the v-moda headphone cable is the way to go.  I can't find it now through all of the different pages.  Is ordering this cable for the Mad Dogs still considered the right thing?
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post #177 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Terps Fan View Post

I think I remember reading in one of the threads concerning these headphones that the v-moda headphone cable is the way to go.  I can't find it now through all of the different pages.  Is ordering this cable for the Mad Dogs still considered the right thing?

I believe Dan still includes it as standard with the Mad Dogs (unless you opt for the balanced version in which case the V Moda cable would be worthless).
post #178 of 3001

Thanks mech!

post #179 of 3001

I posted to quick.  So the aftermarket vmoda cable is part of the mod Dan offers? 

post #180 of 3001
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Originally Posted by Terps Fan View Post

I posted to quick.  So the aftermarket vmoda cable is part of the mod Dan offers? 
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The Mad Dog with Alpha Pad includes:
 
-Our hand-tuned Mad Dog headphes
-Lamb leather angled ear pads
-Black velvet carrying bag
-Black leather "comfort strap"
-1/8" (3.5mm) and 1/4"(7mm) cables
-Internal audio modificiations 
-1-year warranty

It's the 3.5 mm cable listed as part of what is included.

https://www.mrspeakers.com/MrSpeakers-Mad-Dog-Alpha-Pad
Edited by jazzerdave - 6/16/13 at 2:14pm
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