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Denon D2000 is an option, I have both Denon & Mad Dogs

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Originally Posted by cocolinho View Post

Denon D2000 is an option, I have both Denon & Mad Dogs

That's funny that you mention that. That is exactly the headphones that I bought after I returned mine and I love them so much that I bought the D7000 and the D600.
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The Magni is 1.2W or 1.3W into 32 ohms so I think that's enough power.

 

Dan PMed me some advice targeted mainly around ensuring a good seal, that I will try tonight.  Even if this doesn't end up working out, its more proof what a great guy he is.  So responsive trying to help out a customer. 

 

A friend on the forum I run also recommended the Denon D2000.  Unfortunately aren't they like $550?


Edited by imahawki - 8/20/13 at 12:10pm
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I compared the Mad Dog 3.2s to D2000s and found the D2000 to have grain, coloration, and ringing that I would not have otherwise noticed without the Mad Dogs for comparison,

 

I previously compared the Magni to other amplifiers and found it to be a fine value for $99, but having poor bass response relative to more expensive amplifiers (or vintage amps for that matter).   Headfonia's reviewer had the identical impression about its bass response:

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...the Magni does not have the low end to do justice with the Ortho headphones or anything bassy. Beyond that, the sound staging qualities are not up to par with the Schiit Asgard, so it doesn’t go well with spacious sounding headphones.

 

And, it is not contradictory to say that "the Magni is fine with the Mad Dogs" and then say that "if you are doing critical evaluation (such as comparing the Mad Dogs to other headphones, and comparing equipment in general), then the Magni may be a little lightweight for the Mad Dogs."

 

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A friend on the forum I run also recommended the Denon D2000.  Unfortunately aren't they like $550?

They go for $300-$350.  You may be thinking of the similar D5000, the next model up in the line.


Edited by kstuart - 8/20/13 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by imahawki View Post

I like the sonic character of the bass that IS there, but I feel there just isn't enough.  I don't like boomy, bloomy, tubby bass.  But I want a more visceral impact.  Maybe I'm a candidate for a return and will need to look elsewhere.  I'll see if anyone else has any input.

 

Most likely a physical limitation of the driver.  Planar Magnetics don't have the excursion of traditional dynamic drivers, so they rely on larger diaphragms.  The T50rp driver isn't that large, so coincidentally it won't move as much air for bass impact.  You might wait until closed LCD if you're in need of a closed planar.

 

As far as wanting more bass, that's as simple as EQ'ing more bass.  You can't EQ impact though.

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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post

Well I am a confirmed basshead and I had the exact same experience you are having right now. And ended up sending them back. Great sounding headphones to be sure not enough bass for me. I'm hoping that somehow someway the Alpha dog has that bass that I'm missing but I'm skeptical.

Headphones cannot have enough bass because they are only on your ears.   Speakers have bass that impacts your whole body.  So, if you have a pair of amazing headphones with perfect response from 20-20,000, reproducing every note exactly as recorded, the bass will be way less in quantity and impact from the exact same song played on good speakers.

 

If you design a pair of headphones that reproduce that bass just with your ears, then it would drown out some of the midrange and treble detail.  Speakers don't have that problem because you can hear treble with your ears while feeling the bass with the rest of your body.

 

That is why basshead headphones like the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2 do not reproduce midrange and treble as well as other headphones like the HD800, etc.

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Originally Posted by imahawki View Post

The Magni is 1.2W or 1.3W into 32 ohms so I think that's enough power.

Dan PMed me some advice targeted mainly around ensuring a good seal, that I will try tonight.  Even if this doesn't end up working out, its more proof what a great guy he is.  So responsive trying to help out a customer. 

A friend on the forum I run also recommended the Denon D2000.  Unfortunately aren't they like $550?

You can find pairs of the Denon D2000 on the for sale here most of the time between 250 and 350 dollars.
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Originally Posted by kstuart View Post

Headphones cannot have enough bass because they are only on your ears.   Speakers have bass that impacts your whole body.  So, if you have a pair of amazing headphones with perfect response from 20-20,000, reproducing every note exactly as recorded, the bass will be way less in quantity and impact from the exact same song played on good speakers.

If you design a pair of headphones that reproduce that bass just with your ears, then it would drown out some of the midrange and treble detail.  Speakers don't have that problem because you can hear treble with your ears while feeling the bass with the rest of your body.

That is why basshead headphones like the Audio Technica Pro700 Mk2 do not reproduce midrange and treble as well as other headphones like the HD800, etc.

Thanks, but I'm very happy with the bass I get out of multiple brands of headphones like the Denons, Ultrasones and Q40. I like speakers at times but headphones definitely satisfy me.
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I'm a confirmed basshead (1000 Watt amp and 2 JL Audio 10W7 in my car)

 

If you put the right power on the the mad dogs they'll play everything you want and with plenty of punch. My FiioE12 is cheap but delivers that sound very well. I would imagine that some of the other powerful portables or desktop amps will do the same for the Mad Dogs

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Stupid Question: Is each individual pair of the Mad Dog's tuned w/ Alpha Pads on? I'm not sure how the tuning process goes. If one were to switch out alpha pads, would it need to be retuned? Showing how little I know about Dan's process... 

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Originally Posted by martybm5 View Post

I'm a confirmed basshead (1000 Watt amp and 2 JL Audio 10W7 in my car)

 

If you put the right power on the the mad dogs they'll play everything you want and with plenty of punch. My FiioE12 is cheap but delivers that sound very well. I would imagine that some of the other powerful portables or desktop amps will do the same for the Mad Dogs


You are definitely a basshead!  I only have a single 10" JBL in my truck driven by 600 watts and that is plenty!  I'm also 52..............

 

Caveat to your last statement - they did not do it for me - only wish I had them when I had all this vintage amps around.  It may have made the difference. 

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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

Stupid Question: Is each individual pair of the Mad Dog's tuned w/ Alpha Pads on? I'm not sure how the tuning process goes. If one were to switch out alpha pads, would it need to be retuned? Showing how little I know about Dan's process... 

 

It shouldn't have an affect.

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You are definitely a basshead!  I only have a single 10" JBL in my truck driven by 600 watts and that is plenty!  I'm also 52..............

 

Caveat to your last statement - they did not do it for me - only wish I had them when I had all this vintage amps around.  It may have made the difference. 

My M100's are a true basshead can no doubt. They will vibrate off your head if you put clean power through to them but the overall sound is nowhere near as clean and pure as the MD's. The M100's are definitely more colored but overall the MD's really do it for me when they have good power. I can feel the punch through in my hands through the outside of the cans when I play bass heavy music.

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The way I read the question, I think he was asking if the headphones would need to be retuned when using different pads. I think the answer to that would be yes. I know when I switched from the SRH-840 pads to the Alpha pads my T50rp's needed to be retuned. I had them sounding great with the 840 pads, and when I switched it took quite a bit of work for them to sound right with the Alpha pads. Pads can make quite a difference in terms of sound signature.  

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It shouldn't have an affect.

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Originally Posted by jasonb View Post

The way I read the question, I think he was asking if the headphones would need to be retuned when using different pads. I think the answer to that would be yes. I know when I switched from the SRH-840 pads to the Alpha pads my T50rp's needed to be retuned. I had them sounding great with the 840 pads, and when I switched it took quite a bit of work for them to sound right with the Alpha pads. Pads can make quite a difference in terms of sound signature.  

Yes - the entire difference between the 3.0 and 3.2 Mad Dogs was changing the tuning for the Alpha Pads.

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