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post #1081 of 3191

just got a sx-626 myself and damn I didn't think it would be that big..

beautiful amp though

why not use the 1/4" inch plug instead of using a converter with the 1/8th inch one? o.O

post #1082 of 3191

because im using the V-moda cable. I sealed off around the jack on the left cup, so I can't use the stock cable anymore. No big deal...

 

and yes, the receiver is huge!

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Originally Posted by Hasashi View Post

just got a sx-626 myself and damn I didn't think it would be that big..

beautiful amp though

why not use the 1/4" inch plug instead of using a converter with the 1/8th inch one? o.O

post #1083 of 3191
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

 

Yea, the soundstage is a weakness I forgot to mention. Not a big deal for me for my type of music but I can see where people can have issues with it.

 

Can I get some other suggestions for portable amps with enough power to drive the MDs? I've been thinking about trying some others but have no clue which ones are powerful enough, hence why I've kept the E12 for so long.

Indeed I like a bigger sound stage,

 

Dam has mentioned going the iBasso PB2 n Universal Balanced Mad Dog route, that might be a good option... Just looking for a DAP that I'd like... waiting on impressions for the iBasso D50X, while the Fiio X3 looks promising! 

post #1084 of 3191
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 

 

The MD actually compares very favorably to the TH-600. You wouldn't expect it to - looking in, but it does. Between the two, the main differences for me is: the soundstage, imaging, and the sucked out mids (some other differences include:  the more accentuated and refined treble, and the bass impact/slam.) The weakest area of the MD, IMO, is the width of the soundstage and the imaging. Switching back and forth from my other cans to the MD they sound a bit stuffy. It takes me an hour or so, to get back on track and really appreciate what the MD bring to the table. Actually, in regards to closed - full isolating headphones - the MD have a decent soundstage width, great depth, and good imaging. It is just in comparison that I find the MD to be somewhat lacking (not to much though).

 

Regarding the other differences - the TH-600 has quite similar treble response to its older brother, the TH-900. I've spoken about it before, but I absolutely love the TH-900's treble. It has just the right amount of tizz, and I very rarely here any harshness at all. The TH-600 takes a small step down, but the treble remains very well extended. I did experience some sibiliance and sharpness on a few tracks with lots of treble energy. If you are one that is very sensitive to treble, the TH-600 might have too much, especially in comparison to the darker tone of the MD. There is quite a bit more treble energy with the TH-600 vs MD, so keep that in mind.

 

Bass is somewhat of a toss up depending on the individual. You could make an argument for both headphones - but what it really comes down to is natural vs fun. The MD's bass response has never left me wanting for more. It has good texture, decently fast decay, great extension, and good impact/slam. I understand those that may find it "light" but that has never been the case for me, on any setup (well maybe straight from an iPod). The TH-600 bass on the other hand is emphasized with a "fun" tuning. It has quite a bit more impact/slam in comparison, is also very well extended, and fast... but it renders bass in a different way. Again, natural vs fun is how I would describe it. If you are wanting a "fun" sounding headphone with some color added to your music, the TH-600 will fit your bill better, IMO. The MDs on the other hand on more natural and balanced, and deliver a sound that is more genuine and true to the track. It doesn't add much flavor to your music, and just present it with good authority and detail.

 

If I had to choose one or the other - I would choose the MDs (Yea I know, take that price snobs!). The sound is more balanced, which leads to a better all-around headphone, IMO. The TH-600 is more genre specific - at least for me. It does supremely well with electronic, pop, modern rock, dubstep, etc. but leaves you wanting for less bass and sometimes more forward and lusher mids for vocals, acoustic, classical, and jazz. The MDs do it all - and they deliver a sound that makes all my music sound good. Not the best, but for 300 skins - WTH buy the damn things.

 

Hope that helps!  


Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 5:32am
post #1085 of 3191
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I agree with everything but the soundstage part. To me the th-600 has a much larger soundstage. I think the soundstage on the th-600 is even larger soundstage than the lcd-2. That's no to say it's a better soundstage. When you factor in the imaging and instrument placement the soundstage on the mad dog def. makes up some ground but as far as overall size and openness there's no contest def. the th-600.

 

Wait... I thought I said the TH-600 does have the larger soundstage? If I didn't I'll correct what I wrote, as I agree. blink.gif

post #1086 of 3191
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Wait... I thought I said the TH-600 does have the larger soundstage? If I didn't I'll correct what I wrote, as I agree. blink.gif

 

I agree with everything you say till the (not too much though). That has me confused. To me there is a nite and day difference there and the 600 sounds as good soundstage wise as many of it's open competitors imo.

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Oh.. Okay great. I guess we disagree there or maybe it is the variance in setups. tongue.gif
Edited by Greed - 8/4/13 at 9:16pm
post #1088 of 3191

Thank you Greed for that write up. Very well thought out and informative. It certainly has given me plenty of information and reason not to look it the TH600 as an upgrade for my closed can of choice right now. Mad Dog seems like the far better value.

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Oh.. Okay great. I guess we disagree there or maybe it is the variance in setups. tongue.gif

Edited by jibzilla - 6/3/14 at 5:30am
post #1090 of 3191

I wanted to ask you guys how the imaging and instrument separation are with the MD's compared to say the HE-500, LCD2, and T1? 

I listen to a lot of classical music and this is an important aspect for me 

post #1091 of 3191
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Vintage power!

 

Definitely adds soundstage size over just the E17 alone. 

 

Very nice and congrats!!

post #1092 of 3191
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Originally Posted by noxa View Post

I'm really torn between the Aune T1 and the Magni/Modi stack for these.

 

I'd feel better/safer going with the Magni/Modi. Schiit apparently puts out really good...products, and I've heard good things about the M/M combo with the Mad Dog.

 

 

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Originally Posted by imackler View Post

I'm starting to consider the Mad Dog again, too. 

 

I just wish it was easier to drive out of a portable/semi-portable amp.

 

I recently tried my MD3.2 with an iPhone 5 and HTC One. It sounded pretty good on both, though neither could drive the MD to very loud volumes. Still well within listenable ranges, though. The iPhone 5 had noticeably lacking bass, but it was not huge. The MD would still thump with the music if it was bass-heavy. It did a bit better on the HTC One than the iPhone 5 in that regard. A dedicated DAC/amp will bring more life to the MD, but they're more than adequate on the mobile sources I've tried.

 

Oh, I also tried it on my Surface RT a while back (MD 3.0). That actually sounded pretty good and drove them fairly loud.

post #1093 of 3191

I am moving to a downtown condo, so my main 2 channel rig will be reduced to lower level listening.  As such, I have chosen the closed headphone route & the Mad Dog balanced headphones with a SE cable is at the very top of the list to fill the void for “cranking it up” when the mood strikes (which is often).

 

Who here uses a vintage receiver/ amp from speaker tap connections w/ the Mad Dogs? 

 

My main 2 ch system integrated amp is a TBI Millenia MG3. It is rated for 32 watts per channel at 24v &  8 ohm impedance.  If my power supply is a 12v SLA battery, it will generate a nominal 8 watts per ch at  8 ohms per TBI. 

 

So if I apply Ohms Law/ Watts Law to the Mad Dog Fostex T50RP  50 ohm impedance & 3 watt max input:

 

V= IR;   I = V/R = 12v/ 50 ohm = 0.24 amps

 

P=VI;  P= 12v x 0.24 amps = 2.88 total watts ( approx. 1.44 w per ch)

 

Am I looking at this correctly?  I can get a HiFiMan HE-adapter if necessary to protect phones/ amp if needed, but I’m thinking that I don’t need it in this application.

 

Now if I want to utilize this amp for both my main speakers OR my Mad Dog’s, then I will need a speaker switch selector to toggle between the two (vs. banana plug switch-out to Cardas binding posts).  Does anyone here do this?  I know that Adcom used to make a speaker selector & Parts Express has some cheaper versions, but I assume the quality is severely lacking.   My DIY skills aren’t that great, but I could do a beefy passive switch of some sort I guess.

 

Thanks for any words of wisdom.


Edited by brother love - 8/5/13 at 8:50am
post #1094 of 3191

Put in my order last week for the Universal Balanced version with 1/4" Cable.

Cable is on back order so it is supposed to ship later this week.

 

There is always a sense of anticipation with all "fun" purchases, but I think I am anticipating the arrival of these the most ! I literally cannot wait L3000.gif

post #1095 of 3191
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Originally Posted by zeromacro View Post

I wanted to ask you guys how the imaging and instrument separation are with the MD's compared to say the HE-500, LCD2, and T1? 

I listen to a lot of classical music and this is an important aspect for me 

I listened to older version of Mad Dogs vs HE5LE and in these aspects Hifimans were clearly superior.

I just bought older Harman Kardon PM655vxi amp to give it a try. Its quite cheap, has very good reviews, theres schematic easy to get. Theres a lot of combination how you could listen to it.

I also dont think you have to connect HPs to speaker outputs as headphone out is the same just lower power because of resistor in path. You could easily change its value, brand or even remove it. Ill try to play with it and compare it to my main headphone amp.

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