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+1 HE-500 is great for nearly everything IMO. The bass performance may fall slightly short of HE-400, but is still far better than the bass of most dynamics, including K701 and HD650. The mids are simply gorgeous on HE-500 and even better than those on HD650. The highs are much better than HD650 or K701 - much cleaner and faster, and with great sparkle without HE-400's overemphasis.

 

He can resell it easily if he won't like it, as HE-500 is very popular. Not everyone likes HE-500, but most people do I think, so it's a pretty safe bet.

 

It's arguable really that the HE500's bass is inferior to HE400s in every strict sense. The 400's bass is tighter (one of the most tactile clean basses I've heard, right beside LCD2 / HE6), but 500's bass extends quite a bit deeper and has significantly more rumble, it also at least to my ears is a tad more "tonal" (easier to distinguish one bass freq from the next) than 400's bass, perhaps BECAUSE it is not so incredibly tactile.

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No doubt there's a lot of hype around it, but what does that matter to you?  If you listen to it and like it, it won't change for the better or worse for you over time based on head-fi's consensus of it.  Don't get caught up in having a head-fi accepted pair of headphones.

 

Again, head-direct has a 30 day return policy.  You can take advantage of it to listen to the hifimans (whatever pair you choose) and return them at no cost other than shipping, then move on to the Mad Dogs or HD600/650 if you want.

I don't disagree with this at all and it's a good point to make.  If I could easily audition all of these cans myself I would do that and wouldn't even bother looking into what other people think of them, but I'm on a budget and auditioning all of these would get pricey.  That's why I am looking for advice so I can start in the right place and let me ears make the final decision :) (And I do appreciate all the input!)

 

When I mentioned 5 years down the road I wasn't implying that the sound of the HE400s would change, just whether it would still be recommended over the HD's.  5 years ago (it was more than that but lets say 5 for simplicity) almost everyone on head-fi recommended the k701s over the HD's,   now I'm thinking about buying those same HDs as an upgrade from the k701s.


Edited by nickwin - 6/1/13 at 12:09pm
post #33 of 77
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Sell the K701s, buy a used / refurbished HE500. One headphone to rule them all (below $1k).

Oh god, not another more expensive option!  Really though I think these are out of my price range, especially if I would need to upgrade my amp as well.

post #34 of 77
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I agree with this. As I stated I only bought the HE400 after a meet, as before I thought it was an overpriced piece of junk... boy was I wrong! Also, I considered the HE400s a huge step above the K701, as the K701 was my original headphone for about a year and a half. wink.gif

I am really leaning toward the HE400's at this point, especially after reading this.  Based on what  Biscuitz and others are saying it sounds like the HDs really excel with mids and vocals.  I am fairly content with how my k701s handle vocals and my powered monitors do great with vocals, but both of them lack in the bass department.  With bass being where the HE400s shine it seems like a good match for me.  That said I can get the HD600's for $100 less than the HE400s and theres just some appeal to the HDs that I cant really explain.  Maybe its just that they have passed the test of time better than anything else out there.


Edited by nickwin - 6/1/13 at 12:16pm
post #35 of 77
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Oh god, not another more expensive option!  Really though I think these are out of my price range, especially if I would need to upgrade my amp as well.

 

HE-500 is pretty efficient. They don't require a powerful amp to sound good. I think they sound perfectly acceptable out of my Fiio E11 and great out of my Essence STX.

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HE-500 is pretty efficient. They don't require a powerful amp to sound good. I think they sound perfectly acceptable out of my Fiio E11 and great out of my Essence STX.

I thought maybe I could swing it but the he500s are still out of my budget.

post #37 of 77
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I thought maybe I could swing it but the he500s are still out of my budget.

 

In that case, HD600 is my next recommendation - more balanced and easier to drive than HD650, but with similar, beautiful mids. and good bass and highs without significant issues. In case you will find those too similar to your K701s, then go with HD650s - they have the warmer bass and lower midrange, although at some expense of neutrality and maybe some realism IMO. HE-400 is not exactly warm with that overemphasized upper treble, although you can always EQ it of course. But HE-400 also has that unnatural upper midrange/lower treble suckout that should be EQ'ed as well. I personally don't like headphones that need a lot of EQ'ing, so I would go for the well balanced Senn HD600 series instead.

 

Alternatively, I heard that AKG K550 has a similar tone to K701, but is warmer with more bass and a fuller sound. If you like the AKG tone, then maybe you should give K550s a try too. I usually find that closed back cans are different from open back anyway, due to the nature of the closed back design that usually gives a tighter, sharper sound than open back design that may work better for the more aggressive music.


Edited by Pianist - 6/1/13 at 1:38pm
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In that case, HD600 is my next recommendation - more balanced and easier to drive than HD650, but with similar, beautiful mids. and good bass and highs without significant issues.

I see own both of these cans, what makes recommend the HD600 over the HE400?

 

If you had to live with just one of these two headphones would it be the HD600?


Edited by nickwin - 6/1/13 at 1:34pm
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I see own both of these cans, what makes recommend the HD600 over the HE400?

 

If you had to live with just one of these two headphones would it be the HD600?

 

I actually don't own HD600 or HE400, but I heard both at a local meet. If I had to keep one, it would definitely be HD600, because HE-400 is simply not balanced enough in stock condition with that upper mids suckout and upper treble spikes. If you don't mind some serious EQ'ing though, then HE-400 is a good choice too, but I can't say that either is definitely better in any case. Both are great cans.

post #40 of 77

Since you have monitors and the k701, you might want something a bit more fun... I'd say use your k701 for 'critical'' and correct listening, and don't sidegrade to the hd600

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It's arguable really that the HE500's bass is inferior to HE400s in every strict sense. The 400's bass is tighter (one of the most tactile clean basses I've heard, right beside LCD2 / HE6), but 500's bass extends quite a bit deeper and has significantly more rumble, it also at least to my ears is a tad more "tonal" (easier to distinguish one bass freq from the next) than 400's bass, perhaps BECAUSE it is not so incredibly tactile.

 

 

I can't see this being the case all the way.  We've already discussed it before, but I didn't find the LCD2 to extend that much further than the HE-400 (we're talking about rolloff at 35hz vs rolloff at 30hz), and I told you I didn't find any difference with your sub-bass extension mod.  If to my ears, the LCD2 isn't that different from the HE-400 in extension, then the HE-500 can't be either (assuming LCD2 is still the king of extension for open cans.)

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I can't see this being the case all the way.  We've already discussed it before, but I didn't find the LCD2 to extend that much further than the HE-400 (we're talking about rolloff at 35hz vs rolloff at 30hz), and I told you I didn't find any difference with your sub-bass extension mod.  If to my ears, the LCD2 isn't that different from the HE-400 in extension, then the HE-500 can't be either (assuming LCD2 is still the king of extension for open cans.)

Well then either my HE400 is defective or my HE500 is special, cuz the latter has better extension and less severe roll-off past 30 Hz.

post #43 of 77

I'd love to try an he-500 someday just to see how it compares.  Personally something puts me off about just how much the Audezes rely on damping and seal to generate bass, while hifimans are very open air.

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I'd love to try an he-500 someday just to see how it compares.  Personally something puts me off about just how much the Audezes rely on damping and seal to generate bass, while hifimans are very open air.

Yeah, the two brands of products contrast each-other very much even though they are both modern planar magnetic.

 

I have a sneaking suspicion that maybe LFF's next modding project is a Hifiman; maybe his magical damping touch to make HE500 or 5LE perfect?


Edited by jerg - 6/1/13 at 5:08pm
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I actually don't own HD600 or HE400, but I heard both at a local meet. If I had to keep one, it would definitely be HD600, because HE-400 is simply not balanced enough in stock condition with that upper mids suckout and upper treble spikes. If you don't mind some serious EQ'ing though, then HE-400 is a good choice too, but I can't say that either is definitely better in any case. Both are great cans.


My mistake, I looked at your sig and misread the RE-400 as HE400.  What made you choose the HD650 over the 600s?

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