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post #16 of 77
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

Yeah, the HE-4 might be a safer bet, but it isn't 'relaxing'. The vocals can be a bit forward. One problem, though. Better amplification might be prefered for the HE-4. It is less efficient than the HE-500.

Yeah the HE-4 is aggressive. It is still warmer and fuller than the K701, so I thought I'd mention it.

post #17 of 77

Better amplification would be a necessity for the he-4. The lyr will barely do the job. My vintage receiver actually did a better job with the he-4. Still I'd take the he-4 over the he400. The hd650 over both given your criteria. And then I'd thrown a wild card in there also...Maddogs by Mr. Speakers. Wonderfully voiced and great linear bass. Would give you a closed planar at a great price. 

post #18 of 77
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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

For a warmer, fuller sound than the K701, I wouldn't rule out the HD600, X1, or the HE-4. The HD600 is very similar to the HD650, but less expensive and a bit more neutral, while still being a warm sounding headphone. The X1 is smooth in the highs and has a big bass emphasis, if you want something with a lot of low end punch, though not as natural sounding as the HUD600 / HUD650. The HE-4 is way too overlooked here; not enough people have tried it. For $50 more than the HE-400, I would buy it every single time over the HE-400. Its bass is less obtrusive but still very extended and punchy, its upper mids / lower highs are actually there.

 

Now, I don't like the HE-400, but that's because vocals are very important to me. But its bass is really impressive. I would say this, if all you care about is bass, the HE-400 is awesome. If you want ortho bass but care about vocals, then HE-4. If you really care about vocals, then HD600 / HD650, as they do vocals the best in this price range. The Senns also have a more realistic soundstage over the orthos, although it's not as wide or panoramic.

 

Such are my opinions based on my experiences.

 

I'd pick HD600 / HD650, but you know my biases.

HE4 sound like a great headphone but if I need a new amp to power it, its out of my price range.  You say the HE400's are mediocre with vocals, the HE4 better and the HD600/650 best out of this bunch, where would the k70xs fall on that spectrum?  I do plan on keeping my k701s, and I have been fairly happy with vocals that come out of those, but I have no idea how they compare to these and I know there is room for improvement.  Also can you comment at all on how the HE400s compare to the k701s in terms of treble fatigue?

post #19 of 77
Don't judge my opinion, but I've had both for about a month, as well as the original Mad Dogs with alpha pads. I got the HE400 last after a meet, as I always assumed they were just overpriced junk - until the meet. The HD650 never really impressed my, so I got the Mad Dogs. I preferred the made dogs by a tiny amount, but went to a meet and heard the HE400. I immediately returned the mad dogs and bought a used pair of HE400 locally from another member the next day. I thought they were much, much more fun, and had a nice sound field. I regret this, but I eventually sold the HE400 to buy a subwoofer for my speaker set up... frown.gif
post #20 of 77
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Between the HD600 vs HD650, based solely on what I've read of there sound signatures, I would probably pick the HD600, its more neutral but still laid back and $100 cheaper.  But since I am looking for something to complement my k701s would the HD650 be a better choice?  The k701 is an extremely neutral headphone so I am wondering if the HD650 wouldn't be a better contrast to them with its rich warm sig.  Or is the HD600 a different enough (more laid back) from the k701 that this wouldn't be an issue?  I'm still torn between the HE400 and the HD's but I'd like to at least get it narrowed down to 2!


Edited by nickwin - 6/1/13 at 8:28am
post #21 of 77
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One thing that keeps drawing me back to the HD's is the fact that they are still around essentially unchanged after all these years.  I bought my k701s when they first came out and people were touting them as the "best headphones period".  The vast majority of people at the time recommended them over the HD600/650s.  Fast forward to now and the k70x fan-base has shrunk while the HD's following has stayed the same if not continued to grow.  I guess part of me wonders if its not a similar situation with the HE400s,  They have a lot going for them obviously and have a new sound sig to them, but 5 years down the road are they still going to be competitive with the HDs?

post #22 of 77
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Originally Posted by nickwin View Post

HE4 sound like a great headphone but if I need a new amp to power it, its out of my price range.  You say the HE400's are mediocre with vocals, the HE4 better and the HD600/650 best out of this bunch, where would the k70xs fall on that spectrum?  I do plan on keeping my k701s, and I have been fairly happy with vocals that come out of those, but I have no idea how they compare to these and I know there is room for improvement.  Also can you comment at all on how the HE400s compare to the k701s in terms of treble fatigue?

Ah, sorry I'm not really sure. I have heard the Q701 which apparently is very similar to the K701, and I remember thinking the vocals were pretty good on it. I'd wager they're probably a bit better than the HE-4, since I don't think the HE-4 does vocals that well...it just does them better than the HE-400.

 

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Don't judge my opinion, but I've had both for about a month, as well as the original Mad Dogs with alpha pads. I got the HE400 last after a meet, as I always assumed they were just overpriced junk - until the meet. The HD650 never really impressed my, so I got the Mad Dogs. I preferred the made dogs by a tiny amount, but went to a meet and heard the HE400. I immediately returned the mad dogs and bought a used pair of HE400 locally from another member the next day. I thought they were much, much more fun, and had a nice sound field. I regret this, but I eventually sold the HE400 to buy a subwoofer for my speaker set up... frown.gif

The HE-400 would certainly be preferable to the HD650 and Mad Dogs if you want a lot of bass that extends really well. For me it was too much.

post #23 of 77

I still say HE-400 or Mad Dogs are your best bets if you're looking for something completely different and complimentary.

 

I don't get the question about the HE-400 being good 5-6 years later.  When you buy them, they're not going to degrade on you.

post #24 of 77

Sell the K701s, buy a used / refurbished HE500. One headphone to rule them all (below $1k).

post #25 of 77
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I still say HE-400 or Mad Dogs are your best bets if you're looking for something completely different and complimentary.

 

I don't get the question about the HE-400 being good 5-6 years later.  When you buy them, they're not going to degrade on you.

I'm just wondering if part of the hype is because there new and different...  I was using the example of the k701s, when they came out most said they were better than the HDs but 5 years later most people say the old unchanged HDs are better all rounders.  What sounds good right off the bat isn't always the best to live with long term.  I'm not suggesting this is the case with the HE400's just wondering.

post #26 of 77
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Sell the K701s, buy a used / refurbished HE500. One headphone to rule them all (below $1k).

Poor advice. Don't do this unless you can audition the HE-500 first. Not everyone loves the HE-500.

post #27 of 77

I agree with Jerg, though biggrin.gif

 

HE-500 might just be what you need. 

post #28 of 77
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Originally Posted by nickwin View Post

I'm just wondering if part of the hype is because there new and different...  I was using the example of the k701s, when they came out most said they were better than the HDs but 5 years later most people say the old unchanged HDs are better all rounders.  What sounds good right off the bat isn't always the best to live with long term.  I'm not suggesting this is the case with the HE400's just wondering.

 

 

No doubt there's a lot of hype around it, but what does that matter to you?  If you listen to it and like it, it won't change for the better or worse for you over time based on head-fi's consensus of it.  Don't get caught up in having a head-fi accepted pair of headphones.

 

Again, head-direct has a 30 day return policy.  You can take advantage of it to listen to the hifimans (whatever pair you choose) and return them at no cost other than shipping, then move on to the Mad Dogs or HD600/650 if you want.

post #29 of 77
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Sell the K701s, buy a used / refurbished HE500. One headphone to rule them all (below $1k).

 

+1 HE-500 is great for nearly everything IMO. The bass performance may fall slightly short of HE-400, but is still far better than the bass of most dynamics, including K701 and HD650. The mids are simply gorgeous on HE-500 and even better than those on HD650. The highs are much better than HD650 or K701 - much cleaner and faster, and with great sparkle without HE-400's overemphasis.

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Originally Posted by Biscuitz View Post

Poor advice. Don't do this unless you can audition the HE-500 first. Not everyone loves the HE-500.

 

He can resell it easily if he won't like it, as HE-500 is very popular. Not everyone likes HE-500, but most people do I think, so it's a pretty safe bet.

post #30 of 77
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post


No doubt there's a lot of hype around it, but what does that matter to you?  If you listen to it and like it, it won't change for the better or worse for you over time based on head-fi's consensus of it.  Don't get caught up in having a head-fi accepted pair of headphones.

Again, head-direct has a 30 day return policy.  You can take advantage of it to listen to the hifimans (whatever pair you choose) and return them at no cost other than shipping, then move on to the Mad Dogs or HD600/650 if you want.
I agree with this. As I stated I only bought the HE400 after a meet, as before I thought it was an overpriced piece of junk... boy was I wrong! Also, I considered the HE400s a huge step above the K701, as the K701 was my original headphone for about a year and a half. wink.gif
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