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post #151 of 258

Any one tried using with the Line out of the Hm 801? My pb1 is stuck in High Gain [crappy build quality] so hell I need something new! I like that it's being describe as a wire n gain! Might snag one of these in the winter. my only question though is 

 

what are the w rating for different ohms, I've found my dt 880 and he 400 scales nicely with more power avalible! If it's driving the HD 800 I doubt it will be an issue, but I'm looking at either this amp or the Protector the more POWER the better and ofc does it come WITH a 4pin xlr adapter or do I have to buy one

post #152 of 258
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post
 

 

 

I see you also have a 71B.  Would you buy the Lightning over the SR-71B?  I would like to own an RSA amp, but now I'm not sure which should be my first purchase...

Ray also recommend me to get the SR-71B but again seeing as you guys are enjoying it with LCD 2 and HE 500s. It should be more than enough for my Dt 880 600hm [Zombie X Copper Balanced] and my He 400 [Balanced Toxic Cable Hybrid]

 

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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

I am listening to the Lighting. Wow, all I can say is wow. All the normal things I have heard from Ray's other balanced amps but such drive. And, the amp is smaller than I thought it would be. Comparing to the Hisoundaudio Anv 3 dap, it is the same size almost. It is 3mm longer, thinner and the same width and that is small! 

 

Also, using the JH13 Pros on high gain, dead silent background. I even turned the volume up with the dap on pause, dangerous if something should kick in, and it is quiet. No hiss, nothing. The bass is pure solid, a beautiful foundation to the sound. Chicago, the remastered, wow do the horns come across and the drive of the sound. Incredible. 

 

edit: In looking at this amp again, it is small for a single ended portable but for a fully balanced amp?? Great stuff. 

 

This seems about the perfect balanced amp for any dap. Such resolution and large sound stage and so small for a powerful amp. The bass, such control and yet like a taught bass string, just there, just right. 

Good to hear, and about the size I was SHOCKED at how small my pb1 was the first time I got it :O 

 

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Originally Posted by raelamb View Post

For whatever it's worth Ray Samuels told me that since I had the SR71B I didn't need the Lightning.

Yea I was also recommended the more expensive Sr-71b [but since I have 2/3 of my cans balanced, I'm defintly going to get my w1000x balanced, and if this works with Iems it should be magical for the w1kx]

 

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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post


Keith,

Excellent review. As an owner of the RSA Protector I could not agree more that once you go balanced you cannot go back to single output sound.

Lastly this, still I was shocked at how nice the SE out of my HM801 was, I'm even more excited to see how my w1000x will sound once it's balanced out of the Line out HM801 to F-35

Still... since my pb1 just got stuck in High gain [crappy build]

 

I think I'm going to settle down on this amp! Just need to wait 90 days or so to get the funds ;3 still would like some concrete power measures though :O 

 

Also sorry for the double post :3 I'm just excited :D [and honestly my hm801 W1000x portable could use a worthy amp, as I found today the pb1's has a rather UN PLEASENT :O color when paired with the w1000x so the prospect of getting a cleaner more transparent amp is very exciting :D] 

post #153 of 258
You should talk to ray abount matching impedance. I don't think the lightning would work well on inefficient cans like the Beyers. It a designed for higher efficiency low impedance cans.
post #154 of 258
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You should talk to ray abount matching impedance. I don't think the lightning would work well on inefficient cans like the Beyers. It a designed for higher efficiency low impedance cans.

 

bleh, well heck the pb1 works just fine for it... so might have to keep that around for a while 

post #155 of 258
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Originally Posted by Keithpgdrb View Post

You should talk to ray abount matching impedance. I don't think the lightning would work well on inefficient cans like the Beyers. It a designed for higher efficiency low impedance cans.

 

Keith...

I use the F-35 with HE-6, it can drive it very well to a very acceptable sound level. Also in balanced it can drive my HD600, 300 ohms with ease.

There should be no problem driving DT880, 250 ohms. I have one but in SE & it sounds great & it takes that edge of brightness that DT880 is known for.

post #156 of 258
Well there you have it.
post #157 of 258
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Originally Posted by Ray Samuels View Post
 

 

Keith...

I use the F-35 with HE-6, it can drive it very well to a very acceptable sound level. Also in balanced it can drive my HD600, 300 ohms with ease.

There should be no problem driving DT880, 250 ohms. I have one but in SE & it sounds great & it takes that edge of brightness that DT880 is known for.

 

880 250, no my friend I have a DT 880 600 ohm, but yea in balanced mode it should be fine 

post #158 of 258
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

 

880 250, no my friend I have a DT 880 600 ohm, but yea in balanced mode it should be fine 

 

If it can push the HE-6, I worry about no others......:smile:

post #159 of 258
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post
 

 

If it can push the HE-6, I worry about no others......:smile:

 

Still Ray Suggests the Intruder which is a balanced Amp an Dac on the price level of the NFB 10SE2

 

so honestly, Let's get the Lighting and call it  a day. Just wish he'd release those damn power specs -.-

 

He's been very nice but he's always recommending the more expensive options. I'd rather I have the power specs to look at my self and make the choice on my own 


Edited by Mshenay - 10/1/13 at 9:03am
post #160 of 258

Made for each other.  Fully Balanced.  The 2nd pic is a RSA to TRRS balanced cable that RWA sells.

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

post #161 of 258

Just want to know the detailed difference in sound between lighting and 71b.

post #162 of 258
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Originally Posted by ButtUglyJeff View Post
 

 

If it can push the HE-6, I worry about no others......:smile:

 

Still Ray Suggests the Intruder which is a balanced Amp an Dac on the price level of the NFB 10SE2

 

so honestly, Let's get the Lighting and call it  a day. Just wish he'd release those damn power specs -.-

 

He's been very nice but he's always recommending the more expensive options. I'd rather I have the power specs to look at my self and make the choice on my own 


you say the more power the better, the intruder I believe is at the top for that. more gain than the sr71b but at the cost of less battery (hey that power has to come from somewhere).

I've had the opportunity to listen to the intruder and sr71b last week, they do sound pretty much the same on low gain (no real volume matching or anything so take it with a grain of salt) so I believe that the amp section really is from the same design. and I can also say that they both destroy the protector in all aspects(except size and battery life). I loved my protector, but those are clearly on another level.

if the lightning was aimed at low sensi fullsize cans, then I guess it's more about current and voltage than voltage alone. for your 600ohm cans I believe ray just pointed in the obvious direction of the intruder and its massive gain.

 

he's not the kind to try and sell his top of the line stuff. every time I've asked if an upgrade was worth it he told me that I didn't need it because I use IEMs ^_^.

on the other hand I agree with you, I would like to see a little more specs (that's not directed only at Ray, I just don't like technical mystery of any kind). it doesn't mean everything but still helps us understanding who's who.

post #163 of 258
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Originally Posted by castleofargh View Post


you say the more power the better, the intruder I believe is at the top for that. more gain than the sr71b but at the cost of less battery (hey that power has to come from somewhere).
I've had the opportunity to listen to the intruder and sr71b last week, they do sound pretty much the same on low gain (no real volume matching or anything so take it with a grain of salt) so I believe that the amp section really is from the same design. and I can also say that they both destroy the protector in all aspects(except size and battery life). I loved my protector, but those are clearly on another level.
if the lightning was aimed at low sensi fullsize cans, then I guess it's more about current and voltage than voltage alone. for your 600ohm cans I believe ray just pointed in the obvious direction of the intruder and its massive gain.

he's not the kind to try and sell his top of the line stuff. every time I've asked if an upgrade was worth it he told me that I didn't need it because I use IEMs ^_^.
on the other hand I agree with you, I would like to see a little more specs (that's not directed only at Ray, I just don't like technical mystery of any kind). it doesn't mean everything but still helps us understanding who's who.

Castle,

As an an owner of the Protector also driving IEMs does the Intruder materially improve the sound? I use the Protector in balanced output but single input and want to keep it that way for now. I would appreciate any insights you have.
post #164 of 258
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Originally Posted by spook76 View Post

Castle,

As an an owner of the Protector also driving IEMs does the Intruder materially improve the sound? I use the Protector in balanced output but single input and want to keep it that way for now. I would appreciate any insights you have.

 

you lose a lot of that unique lush warm sound of the protector, and you gain something much more balanced (tonally), and overall more details and resolution. yes it's an upgrade. unless you have some amazingly bright IEMs that only the protector could tame, I doubt you could regret going up in the line.

 

can't guess your tastes for you, so I'll tell you why I got rid of the protector:

the protector to me had a cut in the sub bass. all warm and bassy it was, I didn't get the extra low rumble I could get on other sources.  the sr71b/intruder go noticeably lower.

 

trebles! the protector is overall very nice to listen to, but trebles are washed out. on the sr71 you're still not in the neutral sounding zone, but you get a lot more details and to my ears, this adds to the overall imaging. being able to pinpoint more high pitched notes seems to give more layers.

 

shielding against smartphones!! the protector is badly shielded and it can get much worse depending on what cable you use. I can't say the sr71b and intruder are 100% shielded as I didn't try to call while sticking the phone onto the amp, but the shielding is good. day and night compared to the protector.

 

sonically unless you're in love with the protector's lush sound (something I could understand very well), the sr71b or the intruder are simply better and closer the a hifi sound (if that means anything).

but you give up the battery life and ofc the small size of the protector. that's why I'm so curious about this small lightning ^_^.

 

anyway if you don't plan to use the dac of the intruder to go fully balanced, and only use IEMs or easy to drive cans, you should go for the sr71b. no point in getting a bigger gain, bigger size, and less battery for the same sound on IEMs.

 

 

 

question to people who have a lightning already, where are you on the volume knob for a given IEM and a given source plz?

I'm afraid the minimum gain is already a lot for iems if you don't use an out of breath 0.5v apple like line out. (I fear for the 1.7v of the X3 for example)

post #165 of 258
For my jh16s being fed by the rwaak120-b I get about a quarter turn on the volume knob on low gain before it's too loud, but I have no issues getting the exact volume level I want on that quarter turn.
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