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post #46 of 65
I too recieved a reply, saying that my rainbow foil had been shipped via air post.
post #47 of 65
Thanks for the update Peterg2. I guess a few people are in for a reputation test. If it really works it will take guts to say so. If it doesn't no big deal to say it's snake oil as everyone already thinks so.
post #48 of 65
I should get my sample on Tuesday as it was sent out today (Monday being a holiday here in the UK) so I'll put it to the test on Tuesday evening and report back if there are any "dramatic" improvements to the sound.

Here is the e-mail I received and I will respond and make PWB aware of head-fi (not this thread) so he can read our honest, unbiased opinions. Dunno about you guys but I'm going into this with an open mind... the sample has been sent so I'll evaluate it with the same ears as I evaluate a new amp:

Dear Mike,
Thank you for your enquiry and for your interest in our techniques and devices.
We have today sent you a small sample of Rainbow Foil by post. I would be very
interested to know from which source you heard about us.

To begin with, I would suggest that you familiarise yourself with more
information by reading the P.W.B. Newsletters, most of which are on our web
site. - http://www.belt.demon.co.uk

The Newsletters are compiled and edited by one of our customers, Dr. Richard
Graham (who is a Consultant Psychiatrist at a leading London hospital) and most
of the people who contribute articles have been using our devices and techniques
and following our concepts since Jimmy Hughes' first article about our work and
discoveries appeared in a British Hi-Fi magazine in September 1987.

Peter's background is 45 years in the audio industry, the first 30 years as a
conventional engineer designing and manufacturing moving coil loudspeakers,
electrostatic loudspeakers, orthodynamic loudspeakers, moving coil headphones,
electrostatic headphones, and orthodynamic headphones. He was constantly
researching as to how he could improve the sound and then, during a period of
further research, he realised that there were many things that were having an
effect on the sound, things that could not, by any stretch of the imagination,
be altering either the audio signal or the acoustic air pressure waves. He began
to realise that it must be us (human beings) who were reacting to the modern
environment. The last 15 years have been spent in this unconventional area,
struggling to find ways to counteract these adverse conditions.

Our basic concept is that everything in the modern environment has an energy
pattern that we (human beings) are sensing and reacting to - that we are
interpreting these energy patterns as 'danger'., 'intruders'., 'predators', or
that we cannot resolve them, therefore we remain under tension. Peter has
developed techniques to change these adverse energy patterns to ones that we
recognise as 'friendly' and therefore to gradually treat so many things in the
modern environment (including the very audio equipment) so that we (human
beings) can be under less tension, therefore can perceive more of the
information that is actually in the room.
The audio industry, in general, (reviewers, manufacturers, retailers) are in a
'mind-set'.
1) They believe that in engineering terms, the equipment has reached a high
(say, hypothetically 85% ) standard of excellence. Peter and I have no reason to
disagree with this concept - in fact we believe that this level of engineering
excellence has been available for many years - even on inexpensive equipment !

2) They believe that we (human beings) can actually hear that (85%) standard of
engineering excellence - this is where Peter and I disagree with the audio
industry. We believe that because of the introduction into the environment of
electricity, electronic equipment, man made materials etc. - we (human beings)
cannot now make sense of our environment and therefore remain under tension
Peter and I believe that because of this reaction, we (human beings) are only
able to perceive (hypothetically) 10-12% of the engineering excellence that is
available and has been available for some considerable time..


Once we were aware of what was happening, we developed techniques and devices to
deal far more effectively with the many problems associated with the equipment
and the environment.

The Silver Rainbow Foil is our most popular and versatile product and the price
of the Silver Rainbow Foil is 20.00 pounds (UK Sterling) for a pack containing 3
x 17 cm lengths. A strip of Rainbow Foil can be attached to anything with great
effect, but the first things to treat must be the source of the music i.e.
Compact Discs., vinyl records, audio tapes, etc.

We have obviously developed many more devices over these past years but the one
I have described is the basic, first step device to begin to deal with some of
the fundamental problems which prevent us from 'perceiving' the wealth of
information that is available from all audio and video equipment, irrespective
of who manufactured it or its initial price.


Kind Regards,

May Belt.
post #49 of 65
Yeah I got that same email. So I'm guessing it'll take about a week. I suppose I'll make a couple replicas of a cd on the computer and dump them on my unsuspecting friends to see if they can tell a diffference.

<---here's what the magical lucky foil sounds like.
post #50 of 65
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I suppose I'll make a couple replicas of a cd on the computer and dump them on my unsuspecting friends to see if they can tell a diffference.
I know that with EAC configured properly, offsets corrected, and good media, you should (in theory) have a perfect 1:1 copy. But wouldn't it be best to have no possible errors introduced by outside factors in something like this?

(-:Stephonovich:-)
post #51 of 65
Well I don't have two copies of the same CD and I'd rather not spend $12 on the lackluster act of testing CD rainbow foil. If its so magical the difference should be night and day anyway
post #52 of 65
quoting Chris Belt's statement:

"We believe the veracity of the theory can be "proved" very simply by attaching one of our products (e.g. a small strip of Silver Rainbow Foil) to an object in the listening environment not related to the audio system and experiencing/perceiving an improvement in the quality of the sound. Such an object (and this is only one example) could be the battery (or batteries) inside a remote control unit for a television or video. If an improvement is heard, there doesn't seem to be an adequate "conventional" explanation for it."

so... for you who decided to accept the challenge, i want you to conduct the thorough experiment this ingenious product deserves. Chris Belt says that the effect can be heard even when the product is applied to materials which seemingly have nothing to do with your audio system at all. so, i propose that every one of you map out your entire listening room. that means, make the proper topology maps of your furniture, floors, and tables so that you can properly document the positioning of the Ranbow Foil material. please give your evaluations of listening pleasure a numerical value, ranging from -10 to +10, 0 being sound when no Rainbow Foil is applied.

please proceed with caution, as this might be a potentially hazardous job--the Ranbow Foil might ruin your perception of sound as you know it now. it might also render you completely void of sanity. you have been forwarned.

PS--i have a question... Belt says that it doesn't have to be applied to any one piece of your audio system. so, does that mean that by him merely manufacturing the product, all the sound systems of the world have instantly become audiophile quality?--after all, we don't actually have to see the product to feel it's effects. he does say that he believes it mostly a psychological effect. so, let's save him some shipping cost and tell him to leave it at his factory, k?

i feel a paradigm shift: we should leave all our earthly pursuits, and look to more psychological effects. i always knew that marijuana was syergistic with my stereo system, but now Belt has given me courage to say so.
post #53 of 65
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so, let's save him some shipping cost and tell him to leave it at his factory, k?
Heh, I like your thinking

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i always knew that mari**ana was syergistic with my stereo system, but now Belt has given me courage to say so.
Uh-oh, you said the naughty 'M' wordStarts counting until the mods blow you into tiny bits, in their mercy

(-:Stephonovich:-)
post #54 of 65
Quote:
Originally posted by PinkFloyd
The Newsletters are compiled and edited by one of our customers, Dr. Richard
Graham (who is a Consultant Psychiatrist at a leading London hospital)
One could almost.... oh well, never mind...



Regards,


L.
post #55 of 65
Ummm........ uh oh........ cough......... hmmmmm........

Initial impressions of the Rainbow foil are positive

http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...threadid=69010
post #56 of 65
Oh no! Pinkys been converted!!!
post #57 of 65
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Originally posted by highflyin9
Oh no! Pinkys been converted!!!
Hey, this shpongle album has never sounded better..... there's definitely something in this rainbow foil methinks. I'll have to find the google thread again but someone reported that he conducted blind listening tests with a few friends and they all agreed the sound improved somewhat.

One of his friends bought a similar sheet of sticky backed foil from a plastics company costing $1 and claimed it had the same effect...... a dollars worth of this stuff treated 1000 CD's :-)

Will try to find the thread but if I can't find it do a google groups search for PWB Rainbow foil.

Pinkie > OK X26
post #58 of 65
pink, you need to buy a plane ticked and come to the coming california meet.

then i will give you a real blind test. i have all the equipment necessary.

but i warn you, the loser (me or you) will be rediculed. that is our bet.
post #59 of 65
Quote:
Originally posted by Orpheus

then i will give you a real blind test. i have all the equipment necessary.

OMG a firing squad?
post #60 of 65
Ah, head-fiers, what has become of you...

This voodoo is ridiculous, and any perceived differences are likely psychosomatic.

And to those who don't care if the difference is real or psychosomatic, as long as there is an improvment--just save your money, and think that by saving however much this P.W.B. bit charges your music will improve.
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