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post #16 of 96
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Vsonics' CEO never said the K3003 was bad, he just said the GR08 (V7007) would be better, that's all, and so that was very 'humble' of him, of course.

Now, you claiming the 1plus2 is "way way way" more coherent than the K3003s...well, what can I say? Perhaps only that I'm not surprised such comment comes from you. You've claimed for well over a year in dozens and dozens of threads that the highly-regarded EX1000 is "garbage". Then you claimed that the MDR-7550 was so much better and very good when, in actual fact, the EX1000 and 7550 are very, very, very similar sonically. You auditioned the TG334 for less than an hour and yet you have written extensively about them on countless threads and been, in fact, the main 334 poster on the 334 thread (!), always criticizing the FitEars. And then all those posts about gear you've never tried... at least it seems you don't do that any more.

 

Well music you sure as hell made it out to be much worse than the CEO put it then? Heck you have a tendency of twisting things to fit your needs and try to make others look bad in general it appears. Yes I do think the EX1000 were quite horrible in terms of treble spikes and I'm not the only one here who feels this. Just because you don't notice much of a difference between these two models doesn't mean others don't and you tend to have a big problem with doing this. The world does not revolve around you or your ears. Everyone is different and not everyone will hear things the same. Just because you do not hear it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

How would you know how long I auditioned the 334s? Where you there sitting with me and Steve? Funny how you come across as always attacking others for "supposedly" hyping a product yet when they have issues that you do not have with said gear you become all defensive as if they are attacking you personally. Yes I am not a big fan of the 334s bass. Although I have heard comments from various headfiers of the later units sounding significantly better in this department. Kinda like comments regarding the newer models of AKG3003s being "supposedly" more coherent due to possible filter changes/tuning. Also if you are so "interested" in the 1Plus2 why don't you try them out for yourself.


Edited by lee730 - 5/25/13 at 11:56pm
post #17 of 96
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Well music you sure as hell made it out to be much worse than the CEO put it then? Heck you have a tendency of twisting things to fit your needs and try to make others look bad in general it appears. Yes I do think the EX1000 were quite horrible in terms of treble spikes and I'm not the only one here who feels this. Just because you don't notice much of a difference between these two models doesn't mean others don't and you tend to have a big problem with doing this. The world does not revolve around you or your ears. Everyone is different and not everyone will hear things the same. Just because you do not hear it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

How would you know how long I auditioned the 334s? Where you there sitting with me and Steve? Funny how you come across as always attacking others for "supposedly" hyping a product yet when they have issues that you do not have with said gear you become all defensive as if they are attacking you personally. Yes I am not a big fan of the 334s bass. Although I have heard comments from various headfiers of the later units sounding significantly better in this department. Kinda like comments regarding the newer models of AKG3003s being "supposedly" more coherent due to possible filter changes/tuning. Also if you are so "interested" in the 1Plus2 why don't you try them out for yourself.

 

This is cravenz' thread and out of respect to him (and those following this thread) I won't respond to so many things you said in your post — it would make you look worse.

 

I will say one thing, though, in reference to the highlighted text above: I know because it was you yourself who said it.

post #18 of 96

I'm sure music. Only in your mind that is ;). For the record I was with Steve for over 2 hours from what I recall. That's more than "less than an hour" technically :P. We'd have extended or music session if not for other obligations.


Edited by lee730 - 5/26/13 at 12:15am
post #19 of 96
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Originally Posted by cravenz View Post

 

Thanks mate. 

 

I think after reading your last paragraph, I find myself wanting to switch back to the stock silver to do a final test and see where I can go with it. I think I'm like you as well on it to be honest. There is a further drawback with the stock silver, the cable unfortunately.

 

When I first heard the silver/gold upgrade, I almost felt that the 1Plus2 took on some likeness to the k3003. Technically proficient, but at the same time, losing some of its "magic". 

 

Well. Guess I'll have to do the final test and make a decision! Can't have it all in one cable! 

 

I did the same after reading your review. I sat back and listened to Roger Waters "The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking", first using the silver/gold for part of the album, then switching to the stock silver. While differences aren't night and day they are quite noticeable. The stock silver is smoother, more laid back. The mids seem a bit set back giving a greater sense of depth and the more full-bodied bass fills out the sound more but the tighter, faster, more forward silver/gold has a greater sense of precision and clarity with a real toe tapping quality to it. My only real gripe with the silver/gold on this recording is the bass, while overall it has impressive speed and quality, it can sound a little throttled, like it's being held back a bit.


In this instance I would have to say I prefer the silver/gold and it much better highlighted for me where the stock silver falls short in comparison. It's a bit perplexing, where before I thought I had a clear preference I realize it's not as cut and dry as I thought it.

post #20 of 96
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I did the same after reading your review. I sat back and listened to Roger Waters "The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking", first using the silver/gold for part of the album, then switching to the stock silver. While differences aren't night and day they are quite noticeable. The stock silver is smoother, more laid back. The mids seem a bit set back giving a greater sense of depth and the more full-bodied bass fills out the sound more but the tighter, faster, more forward silver/gold has a greater sense of precision and clarity with a real toe tapping quality to it. My only real gripe with the silver/gold on this recording is the bass, while overall it has impressive speed and quality, it can sound a little throttled, like it's being held back a bit.


In this instance I would have to say I prefer the silver/gold and it much better highlighted for me where the stock silver falls short in comparison. It's a bit perplexing, where before I thought I had a clear preference I realize it's not as cut and dry as I thought it.

 

I hear it exactly the same as you (almost)! I think on my first impressions, the silver/gold upgrade provided more depth. Other than that, I think I'm in complete agreement. The upgraded silver/gold can sound a little more aggressive because of the speed. There are quite a fair few tracks that the silver/gold upgrade cable can sound throttled in the bass department (as noted before and in my review as well) which is my biggest gripe with the upgraded cable. 

 

I did a little test run earlier though and took both cables out with me when I went out and about. I think where instruments are called into play with music, the upgraded silver/gold outperforms the stock silver for me. Where the stock silver wins though, is when the full-bodied bass is required to fill out the sound e.g. popular music and various other dance tracks, and that's where the upgrade cable is lacking. You can hear the bass still going, but like you said, it's throttled back.

 

I think I'm just repeating what you've said really. But anyhow, on my test run, well, I ended up reaching for the silver/gold upgrade cable in the end. My only worry sometimes is with the intensity and slightly brighter signature it brings instead of the more laid back and more fun sounding stock silver. I think I'm sticking with the upgraded cable, and the decision that makes it easier is because the stock silver adds too much weight on the go i.e. the weight of the cable tugs on the shells that causes me to readjust the shell of the IEM ever so often. 

 

I think we'd both be the first to pick up the upgraded cable if it was a pure silver I reckon! 

post #21 of 96
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I hear it exactly the same as you (almost)! I think on my first impressions, the silver/gold upgrade provided more depth. Other than that, I think I'm in complete agreement. The upgraded silver/gold can sound a little more aggressive because of the speed. There are quite a fair few tracks that the silver/gold upgrade cable can sound throttled in the bass department (as noted before and in my review as well) which is my biggest gripe with the upgraded cable. 

 

I did a little test run earlier though and took both cables out with me when I went out and about. I think where instruments are called into play with music, the upgraded silver/gold outperforms the stock silver for me. Where the stock silver wins though, is when the full-bodied bass is required to fill out the sound e.g. popular music and various other dance tracks, and that's where the upgrade cable is lacking. You can hear the bass still going, but like you said, it's throttled back.

 

I think I'm just repeating what you've said really. But anyhow, on my test run, well, I ended up reaching for the silver/gold upgrade cable in the end. My only worry sometimes is with the intensity and slightly brighter signature it brings instead of the more laid back and more fun sounding stock silver. I think I'm sticking with the upgraded cable, and the decision that makes it easier is because the stock silver adds too much weight on the go i.e. the weight of the cable tugs on the shells that causes me to readjust the shell of the IEM ever so often. 

 

I think we'd both be the first to pick up the upgraded cable if it was a pure silver I reckon!

 

Do you mean if the stock silver had similar build and ergonomics as the silver/gold? If so, then I'd be inclined to say yes, especially considering the silver/gold would be more expensive. If they were the same price it might be a bit of a toss up. Where the stock silver would win out for me is I think it makes for a better all rounder. I think the clarity, forwardness and touch brighter character of the silver/gold means that it shines more with well recorded albums but the stock silvers smoother, more full-bodied character does better with less than stellar recordings which, in all reality, makes up the majority of my music collection by a fairly wide margin.

post #22 of 96
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Do you mean if the stock silver had similar build and ergonomics as the silver/gold? If so, then I'd be inclined to say yes, especially considering the silver/gold would be more expensive. If they were the same price it might be a bit of a toss up. Where the stock silver would win out for me is I think it makes for a better all rounder. I think the clarity, forwardness and touch brighter character of the silver/gold means that it shines more with well recorded albums but the stock silvers smoother, more full-bodied character does better with less than stellar recordings which, in all reality, makes up the majority of my music collection by a fairly wide margin.

 

A combination of things like the build, ergonomics, but also the clearer and more crisp details. I think they are more accurate with the upgraded cable. 

 

You are right though in that the stock silver is definitely more all-rounded and more forgiving on tracks. Now I'm worried! 

 

I'm not sure which way I'll go because the price difference between the two cables may be a bit much (after spending a crazy amount on the 1Plus2 as is). I have to admit that I'm worried about cable failure down the road as well! I lean towards the upgraded cable just because it sounds better and more accurate. I mean if you took away the upgraded cable from me now, and made me live without it, I'd be fine and happy with the stock silver. But knowing that there is something "better" is hard to not want! 

post #23 of 96
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Originally Posted by cravenz View Post

 

A combination of things like the build, ergonomics, but also the clearer and more crisp details. I think they are more accurate with the upgraded cable. 

 

You are right though in that the stock silver is definitely more all-rounded and more forgiving on tracks. Now I'm worried! 

 

I'm not sure which way I'll go because the price difference between the two cables may be a bit much (after spending a crazy amount on the 1Plus2 as is). I have to admit that I'm worried about cable failure down the road as well! I lean towards the upgraded cable just because it sounds better and more accurate. I mean if you took away the upgraded cable from me now, and made me live without it, I'd be fine and happy with the stock silver. But knowing that there is something "better" is hard to not want! 


I can completely relate to that dilemma. I'm sure when I get my pair I'll be wondering how a particular recording would sound with the silver/gold.

post #24 of 96
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This is cravenz' thread and out of respect to him (and those following this thread) I won't respond to so many things you said in your post — it would make you look worse.

 

I will say one thing, though, in reference to the highlighted text above: I know because it was you yourself who said it.

 


I'm sure music. Only in your mind that is ;). For the record I was with Steve for over 2 hours from what I recall. That's more than "less than an hour" technically :P. We'd have extended or music session if not for other obligations.

 

The two posts below were written 7.5 months ago:

 

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That short paragraph? Seemed like an impression to me. I was hoping Lee could do a quick comparisons since he heard both.

 

It's really hard to make fair comparisons as I had less than an hour with them and also distractions. But from what I heard I liked them but still didn't find them better than my Tralucents. I'll say there seemed to be slightly more treble energy (not much but just a tad) bass was still in nice quantity but lacks the presence/authority of the Tralucents. The sound stage was smaller as well in comparison. The mids were neutral, a tad more upfront. The Tralucents vocals are more spacious, thicker. Overall I was surprised at how thick (condensed) the 334s sounded. Not that it was a negative but wasn't expecting that.
 

post #25 of 96
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The two posts below were written 7.5 months ago:

 

 

No wonder you and James are friends rolleyes.gif

post #26 of 96

You have to respect the determination.

post #27 of 96

Missed this thread. Very nice review, cravenz! I don't mind the length at all, or the unrelated chatter.

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Missed this thread. Very nice review, cravenz! I don't mind the length at all, or the unrelated chatter.

Thanks mate smily_headphones1.gif
post #29 of 96

wao..impressive review!

post #30 of 96

thx fo the review.. u saved me 1000+bucks...lol

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