Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Source Gear › Astell & Kern AK120 impression thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Astell & Kern AK120 impression thread - Page 16

post #226 of 581
Thanks Lee, I am just happy with Tera and I wish that everyone here to be as happy as me with their caps.I haven't tried DSD on my AK120 but I can't be bothered since I want to sell it.
post #227 of 581
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

Comparing the Tera to the AK120. I prefer the AK120 by a nice margin. DSD has taken the sonics to a whole other level personally. But to each his own. wink_face.gif

 

Lee....I couldn't agree with you more!  The difference between DSD and redbook CD through this setup is striking and much greater than I ever anticipated.  It's surprising that so many people on here who haven't heard this setup can tell others they aren't really hearing what they think they are or that the difference isn't that dramatic.  I have a VERY resolved home system including a GNSC modified Wadia Transport, dCS stack, TacT room correction to monoblocks, to heavily modified Martin Logan CLS IIz's.  I'd have to say I'm hearing some detail with the AK120 through the IE800's that i just haven't heard before.  It it "better" than the home system.  Naah, I generally find an open system more realistic than headphones.   Back to the original point.  DSD through the AK120 is LOADS better than redbook cd through the AK120.  If anybody who HEARD BOTH and cares to disagree, by all means let's have that discussion.  But arguing the point with people who HAVEN'T HEARD BOTH.....well, that's just plain absurd. 

post #228 of 581

On a different note, is anybody getting cover art to display with DSD?


Edited by harryb - 7/19/13 at 7:26am
post #229 of 581
Quote:
Originally Posted by harryb View Post

 

Lee....I couldn't agree with you more!  The difference between DSD and redbook CD through this setup is striking and much greater than I ever anticipated.  It's surprising that so many people on here who haven't heard this setup can tell others they aren't really hearing what they think they are or that the difference isn't that dramatic.  I have a VERY resolved home system including a GNSC modified Wadia Transport, dCS stack, TacT room correction to monoblocks, to heavily modified Martin Logan CLS IIz's.  I'd have to say I'm hearing some detail with the AK120 through the IE800's that i just haven't heard before.  It it "better" than the home system.  Naah, I generally find an open system more realistic than headphones.   Back to the original point.  DSD through the AK120 is LOADS better than redbook cd through the AK120.  If anybody who HEARD BOTH and cares to disagree, by all means let's have that discussion.  But arguing the point with people who HAVEN'T HEARD BOTH.....well, that's just plain absurd. 

 

I totally agree with you. I was thinking DSD was going to be a gimmick from all the negative talk about it not being done via the hardware. Still it sounds damn good to me. Would be nice if it was done via hardware if that would further improve the sound as well as make the unit less sluggish :). Anyways I've passed audionewbi some samples so hopefully he'll report back here later. I already convinced him though regarding the tracks he acquired from a friend which were converted to 24/88. The DSD files I gave him (same files from Stings brand new day) are superior to the ones he has in 24/88. The files he has were originally from SACD but converted to 24/88. So that is interesting that there was degradation in sound quality. Hopefully he'll chime in more on the other tracks later :).

 

Regarding cover art you have to have your DSD converted to DSF I think to get tag support? You may find this interesting.

 

Quote:

"From the AudioGate website

A full complement of editing functionality, with support for editing in the DSD domain.

Edit In the past, editing of data recorded in DSD format required extremely expensive pro audio equipment, and this acted as a significant impediment to DSD recording. AudioGate is able to carry out all of the basic editing operations needed for a stereo recorder --- splitting and joining songs, fade processing, volume adjustments, L/R balance adjustments, normalization, cutting DC components, editing marks --- all while staying within the domain of each supported format, including 1-bit DSD.

The DSD editing engine within AudioGate rivals those of professional DSD workstations. Since all DSD-based editing calculations are done while maintaining the sample rate, all the way up to 64 times (2.8224 MHz) or 128 times (5.6448 MHz), you don't need to worry about audio quality being impaired by the decimation filter that accompanies PCM conversion. "Direct output mode" allows unnecessary recalculations to be automatically bypassed, ensuring that the purity of the original audio source is completely retained in the output file.

A rich array of editing functionality for metadata such as song title, artist name, and attached graphics etc. is also a benefit provided by AudioGate."

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Edited by lee730 - 7/19/13 at 8:38am
post #230 of 581
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the audiogate, very usefull software .
post #231 of 581
Were you able to use it successfully? I'm gonna give it a whirl later when I get home. Would be interesting to have tags and album
art. smily_headphones1.gif
post #232 of 581

I'm not that surprised that everybody is loving DSD. I always thought SACDs were WAY better than CD's. And you have to spend a lot of money on a home Hi-Fi system to get anything like the clarity you get from good headphones. 

Also SACD's were always mastered for maximum clarity and dynamics, whereas CD's are mastered to sound good on the radio in the car.

I question if the sound is any better than PCM at a high bit rate because I understand the AK120 is converting to PCM for the DAC. 

I can't wait to hear some DSD on the AK120!
Sam

post #233 of 581
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Were you able to use it successfully? I'm gonna give it a whirl later when I get home. Would be interesting to have tags and album
art. smily_headphones1.gif

experimenting on it as i am typing this. 

post #234 of 581
I heard some DSD Lee kindly sent to me and to be honest they sounded truly very good. Incredible sense of depth and realistic soudstaging. I must admit that I do not have the redbook version so I cannot compare. I do not know if this most excellent sound comes from DSD or from excellent mastering to begin with. I would believe that very often, when editors decide to make some albums available in high quality (24bit, DSD, etc.), it is because they think the mastering deserves it to begin with. So these album mighy already sound better to begin with (I know I said to begin with twice).

However, as I buy tens of albums each month to discover new music, I usually need to satisfy myself with flac 16 44 and it is easily good enough, when the mastering is good. Sometimes it just sucks and there is not much you can do. I get the 24bit versions when available, but that is just a bonus. I do not attach much importance to all these fancy formats and sampling rates and bit rates as I know all the albums I want to buy will mostly only be available in redbook.
Edited by Mimouille - 7/19/13 at 8:49pm
post #235 of 581
Thread Starter 

I have an old studio mater of Peter Gabriel So and I also have the ISO SACD of that file, I killed myself to try to figure out how to place them on AK120 today I couldn't figure out. 

post #236 of 581
Quote:
Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I have an old studio mater of Peter Gabriel So and I also have the ISO SACD of that file, I killed myself to try to figure out how to place them on AK120 today I couldn't figure out. 

 

https://code.google.com/p/sacd-ripper/downloads/detail?name=sacd_extract_0.3.5.zip&can=2&q=

post #237 of 581
Thread Starter 
thanks for the link that method is incredibly hard, it requires some Setup I couldn't figure it out.
post #238 of 581
Quote:
Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post


thanks for the link that method is incredibly hard, it requires some Setup I couldn't figure it out.

Apologies ..

 

I have no idea either, thought you would help after mastering itconfused_face_2.gif

post #239 of 581
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

I heard some DSD Lee kindly sent to me and to be honest they sounded truly very good. Incredible sense of depth and realistic soudstaging. I must admit that I do not have the redbook version so I cannot compare. I do not know if this most excellent sound comes from DSD or from excellent mastering to begin with. I would believe that very often, when editors decide to make some albums available in high quality (24bit, DSD, etc.), it is because they think the mastering deserves it to begin with. So these album mighy already sound better to begin with (I know I said to begin with twice).

However, as I buy tens of albums each month to discover new music, I usually need to satisfy myself with flac 16 44 and it is easily good enough, when the mastering is good. Sometimes it just sucks and there is not much you can do. I get the 24bit versions when available, but that is just a bonus. I do not attach much importance to all these fancy formats and sampling rates and bit rates as I know all the albums I want to buy will mostly only be available in redbook.

 

Mimou I also uploaded the FLAC versions of those songs for both the DSD and 24/192,24/96 FLAC. So have a go at it when you can and let me know what you think.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I have an old studio mater of Peter Gabriel So and I also have the ISO SACD of that file, I killed myself to try to figure out how to place them on AK120 today I couldn't figure out. 

 

Your wish is my command :D.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spidermeng View Post

 

Can you recommend / share which software for convert SACD ISO to DSF ?

Thanks : )

 

http://www.mediafire.com/download/d6yu2t1x1p85gci/SACD+Extract+0.3.6.zip

 

Depending on if your ISO is DSD or DST you drag and drop the desired ISO into one of these folders. I use Foobar to determine file type it is by playing back the ISO files in foobar first. Then you drag and drop to the corresponding folder (which you extract from the link above). So if foobar reads the file as DSD drag and drop to the DSD folder. If its DST drag and drop to DST. Then you open up the corresponding folder and run the bat file which will execute the conversion for you and create a new folder with the DSD files all separated. once this is done you just drag and drop to your AK120 and you have quality music on the go! :).

post #240 of 581
Thread Starter 

You are a bloody genious, I would have never figured those batch files out, tried like a dozen one couldnt figure out any of them. Thanks for that lee, tomorrow is going to be fun fun fun :D

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Portable Source Gear
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Source Gear › Astell & Kern AK120 impression thread