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Which IEM should I buy next among these...? ER4P/S...Triple.Fi...SM64/SM3 V2

Poll Results: My next IEM among these...?

 
  • 2% (1)
    Triple Fi
  • 51% (20)
    Etymotic ER4P/S
  • 15% (6)
    Earsonics SM3 v2
  • 28% (11)
    Earsonics SM64
  • 2% (1)
    None
39 Total Votes  
post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

I have this strong curiosity to try new IEM among ER4P/S, Triple Fi 10, SM64 or SM3 V2. But I also worry about my existing collection make these new IEMs redundant or make it very inferior. My current IEMs includes Phonak PFE232, PFE012 with Grey/Black filters, Shure SE535, SE215, Klipsch X10 and Brainwavz R1.


Which one you guys think I should go next ? What would be the rank, 1 to 4 to find best, middle, and least option...?

post #2 of 26
The ER4S. It will sound kind of like an improved PFE012. The earsonics are pretty terrible, missing entire mid frequencies. The triple-fi is not bad, but you already have some nice colored sounds in your collection, namely the 232. Get the ER4S to have as a reference set.
post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

The ER4S. It will sound kind of like an improved PFE012. The earsonics are pretty terrible, missing entire mid frequencies. The triple-fi is not bad, but you already have some nice colored sounds in your collection, namely the 232. Get the ER4S to have as a reference set.

 

Instead of speaking about an earphone you haven't heard yourself, which you happen to label as "pretty terrible", perhaps it'd be (much) more helpful, objective and rigorous on your part to tell the original poster (OP) there are plenty of people who happen to love the SM64, but that just over 24 hrs ago there were some measurements published (using a defective set, BTW) that the OP should be aware of.

Might also be worth reminding the OP that the ER-4S requires a very deep insertion to get the best SQ and that many find such type of fit terribly uncomfortable, and that an amp seems to be required for the 4S (but not for the 4P).

 

I'd also ask the OP which phone of the ones he owns he enjoys the most.

That said, if I was the OP, I'd probably get the ER-4S (not the 4P), simply because it's a legendary IEM that is still considered a reference IEM by many. But, I'd also warn the OP that in the end he may not be all that impressed, that he may find himself enjoying some of the IEMs already in his possession (much) more, as there are plenty of people who, no matter how reference / legendary the ER-4S may be, they prefer other phones because they found the ER-4S too analytical, cold, treble-happy and bass light.


Edited by music_4321 - 5/24/13 at 5:44pm
post #4 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

The ER4S. It will sound kind of like an improved PFE012. The earsonics are pretty terrible, missing entire mid frequencies. The triple-fi is not bad, but you already have some nice colored sounds in your collection, namely the 232. Get the ER4S to have as a reference set.

To the OP, I don't wish to derail your thread, but I do need to make this point across: the above post is utterly misleading, as the midrange is one of the SM64's real strengths. I've owned the ER4S as well, and my thoughts mirror music_4321's. With respect to what it is you're looking for, I don't think you have to worry about your current selection becoming inferior, especially since the have a very competent selection on hand (especially the PFE and Shures). Both the SM64 and ER4S are great options, and I'd advise you to further research either one. Good luck!
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Instead of speaking about an earphone you haven't heard yourself, which you happen to label as "pretty terrible", perhaps it'd be (much) more helpful, objective and rigorous on your part to tell the original poster (OP) there are plenty of people who happen to love the SM64, but that just over 24 hrs ago there were some measurements published (using a defective set, BTW) that the OP should be aware of.

Might also be worth reminding the OP that the ER-4S requires a very deep insertion to get the best SQ and that many find such type of fit terribly uncomfortable, and that an amp seems to be required for the 4S (but not for the 4P).

 

I'd also ask the OP which phone of the ones he owns he enjoys the most.

That said, if I was the OP, I'd probably get the ER-4S (not the 4P), simply because it's a legendary IEM that is still considered a reference IEM by many. But, I'd also warn the OP that in the end he may not be all that impressed, that he may find himself enjoying some of the IEMs already in his possession (much) more, as there are plenty of people who, no matter how reference / legendary the ER-4S may be, they prefer other phones because they found the ER-4S too analytical, cold, treble-happy and bass light.

There are also many people who dislike the SM64, people are just more open to write in hype as negativity may be frown upon by those that like the product. Only one channel was defective, both channels show that horrible dip which was also confirmed by another user, I don't think anyone in their right minds would want that in their product.

 

 You know, I've always liked the ER4, because of it's refinement, but it's certainly lacking bass and has too much 1-3k imo. Though saying that, I think it's the best of the mentioned, runner up the TF10. 


Originally Posted by Oof Oink View Post

To the OP, I don't wish to derail your thread, but I do need to make this point across: the above post is utterly misleading, as the midrange is one of the SM64's real strengths. I've owned the ER4S as well, and my thoughts mirror music_4321's. With respect to what it is you're looking for, I don't think you have to worry about your current selection becoming inferior, especially since the have a very competent selection on hand (especially the PFE and Shures). Both the SM64 and ER4S are great options, and I'd advise you to further research either one. Good luck!
Oink what is misleading is that you can't accept that there is a 5k suck-out, is the whole midrange gone? no, but there's a specific frequency practically sucked out, no matter what it's there.........

Edited by Inks - 5/24/13 at 8:39pm
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Oink what is misleading is that you can't accept that there is a 5k suck-out, is the whole midrange gone? no, but there's a specific frequency practically sucked out, no matter what it's there.........

Interesting. Point me to where I denied whatever it is you're claiming. And this time, try and not dodge the matter.

I'll tell you what IS misleading, however; you judging the performance of a product you have zero personal experience with. Though, I'm glad to see that enough users (over at the the SM64 thread) have voiced their concern, and trust their ears first.
post #7 of 26
Originally Posted by Oof Oink View Post

Interesting. Point me to where I denied whatever it is you're claiming. And this time, try and not dodge the matter.

I'll tell you what IS misleading, however; you judging the performance of a product you have zero personal experience with. Though, I'm glad to see that enough users (over at the the SM64 thread) have voiced their concern, and trust their ears first.

I mention the technical flaw, based on the graph and you mention it's misleading, certainly implies you deny the matter. Thankfully, you accept it's there? I trust my friend's Rin's judgement based on what he heard, I was offered to listen, but declined, it will be the Heir 3AI all over again, won't bother. Personally, I would take a well formed measurement rather than a biased subjective review, for informing me of what to expect. 


Edited by Inks - 5/24/13 at 9:27pm
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

I mention the technical flaw, based on the graph and you mention it's misleading, certainly implies you deny the matter. Thankfully, you accept it's there? I trust my friend's Rin's judgement based on what he heard, I was offered to listen, but declined, it will be the Heir 3AI all over again, won't bother. Personally, I would take a well formed measurement rather than a biased subjective review, for informing me of what to expect. 

You mentioned more than just a technical flaw. You feel the need to take it one step further and even criticize the hearing of others, as I've already addressed in the other thread. No sense in trying to put words in my mouth. If you feel anything was implied, that's your mistake, not mine.
post #9 of 26

Another vote for the ER-4. Get the ER-4PT, so that way you can have both the P and the S with a $50 impedance adapter.

 

Also, to even out some of the harshness and improve the bass get some red filters from here:

 

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=BF-1921-000virtualkey66550000virtualkey721-BF-1921-000

post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

There are also many people who dislike the SM64, people are just more open to write in hype as negativity may be frown upon by those that like the product. Only one channel was defective, both channels show that horrible dip which was also confirmed by another user, I don't think anyone in their right minds would want that in their product.

 

For someone who often claims they place so much importance on data / facts, I find it 'fascinating' that you claim that "there are also many people who dislike the SM64, [and that] people are just more open to write in hype as negativity may be frown upon by those that like the product."

Unlike you, at least I said "plenty of people who happen to love the SM64", and that was based on what's been written about this IEM. May I ask where exactly you got your "many" from? And how many people exactly is "many" in this case? I haven't seen that at all on these forum threads, not by a very long shot.

Is it also a fact that all the praise is all merely the result of hype? Can you measure hype?  Can you measure hype at this stage? You know very well I'm someone who's often been very critical of hype & exaggeration, but I personally am not yet prepared to declare that all the praise I've seen on the SM64 thread is merely a product of hype. There seem to be at least 3-4 people with plenty of experience who rate this IEM quite highly sonically — and, unlike you, they have actually heard / owned this IEM.

What is indeed a fact is that Earsonics' quality control is (rather) poor, as well as their customer service. As for hype, it is undeniable at this stage to note that the SM3 has been one of the most heavily hyped IEMs on Head-fi.


Edited by music_4321 - 5/25/13 at 4:06am
post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks a lot for all your posts. My sources include iPhone 4, iPod Classic 6th gen (Stock firmware), FiiO E11, Rockboxed Clip+, Cowon J3. I find each earphones pairs well with one source but not with other, so I will mix and match. I also plan to get CLAS/other idevice dac or Tera (already drooled over music_4321's looks like not good fit for IEMs)

It look like ER4 series will win this poll! ER4P seems best option with impedance adapter but not for $50 found this for $18 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ETYMOTIC-ER4P-TO-ER4S-RESISTOR-ADAPTOR-3-5MMPLUG-/290372905689?pt=US_MP3_Player_Cables_Adapters&hash=item439b92ead9)

 

I was surprised to see Triple Fi in the last I kept hearing how it is iconic, and one of the best Soundstage, any more comments on TripleFi? Recently Mike from Headfonia/HeadFi chose TripleFi for the first "Hall of Fame" earphone..

post #12 of 26

SM64 / SM3 easily

post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nehcrow View Post

SM64 / SM3 easily

 



is it that 'easy' !?  why?

post #14 of 26

Have you considered the Westone 4's/4r's? The build quality on the SM3 v2 is not so good (the nozzle is thin and the earpieces tend to split b/c they aren't tightly fused together) but the sound is very thick and musical but still lacking in the mids. The build quality on the W4/W4r's are superb and the sound is amazing! These are the most revealing headphones/earphones I have ever heard. The clarity is outstanding! Take a look at my pics on my profile!popcorn.gif

post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by leadbythemelody View Post

Have you considered the Westone 4's/4r's? The build quality on the SM3 v2 is not so good (the nozzle is thin and the earpieces tend to split b/c they aren't tightly fused together) but the sound is very thick and musical but still lacking in the mids. The build quality on the W4/W4r's are superb and the sound is amazing! These are the most revealing headphones/earphones I have ever heard. The clarity is outstanding! Take a look at my pics on my profile!popcorn.gif

 



To me Westone is much similar to Shure, I wasn't exactly wowed by my SE535LTD and SE215, though people rave it constantly ! even though I like to listen to SE535LTD often! with Westone and Shure you will always have people unimpressed or wowed. The headphones I chose above have something else going for them other than fan following and popularity! ER4P/S constantly praised for its reference quality and treble strength. SM3 for perfect soundstage and surround sound like effect! SM64 no idea! but felt I should include because mostly like it is upgraded from SM3 and I need opinions. TripleFi praised as perfect all rounder! having good soundstage, and can be every genre companion though 'rock' expert! classic V signature (though I have PFE232, this where I'm stuck on should I really get TripleFi)

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