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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #3106 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Hmm, as far as I can tell, all magnets on my Tenores are the same, no difference between the bassy pair and the other two. redface.gif

Interesting... So it's not the magnets. That leaves the strain relief opening and the damper as sound difference possibilities.
post #3107 of 5954
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post

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3. Magnets!  About 100 pages back, someone posted a picture of Tenores stuck together because of the strong magnet.  I tried this a few times and at most I get them to 'kiss' when hanging them side by side.  They won't stick together though.  Does that mean I don't have reference pair?

 

I'm pretty sure I have a reference pair (by comparison to my other phones), and mine stick together though not super strong.  For a better demonstration, take eartips off and align them reversed (strain relief in opposite direction).  Or keep eartips on and bring in a metal tea spoon.  They stick to it, one at a time ;)

post #3108 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Hmm, as far as I can tell, all magnets on my Tenores are the same, no difference between the bassy pair and the other two. :o

Weird, i've double-checked it right now and my ones do have a difference in the strength of the magnet. As the one set can keep the other earpiece in the air and the other set keeps dropping the counterpart.

I don't want to claim that this is the key. Could the rest of us with multiple sets try it out and give us feedback. Just play around with it :)

post #3109 of 5954
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

 

I'm pretty sure I have a reference pair (by comparison to my other phones), and mine stick together though not super strong.  For a better demonstration, take eartips off and align them reversed (strain relief in opposite direction).  Or keep eartips on and bring in a metal tea spoon.  They stick to it, one at a time ;)

that's the way I did it as well, then I tried it in the air


Edited by Miyaichi - 6/25/14 at 1:11pm
post #3110 of 5954
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Interesting... So it's not the magnets. That leaves the strain relief opening and the damper as sound difference possibilities.

So if the strain relief is leaking air and causing extra bass, putting a piece of tape on the back vent should yield a significant difference. Not sure if enough air would be vented to do that long term but that would be a quick test before super gluing the strain relief.
post #3111 of 5954
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Interesting... So it's not the magnets. That leaves the strain relief opening and the damper as sound difference possibilities.
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Originally Posted by Miyaichi View Post
 

Weird, i've double-checked it right now and my ones do have a difference in the strength of the magnet. As the one set can keep the other earpiece in the air and the other set keeps dropping the counterpart.

I don't want to claim that this is the key. Could the rest of us with multiple sets try it out and give us feedback. Just play around with it :)

 

I'm afraid all my sets can easily keep the other earpiece in the air, including the bassy one. That rules out magnet strength in my case. Still, thanks for the suggestion! :smile_phones:

 

Tomorrow I'll try to swap filters between my bassy set and a "reference" one. Tbh, I'd be surprised if they'd turn out to be the culprit, but you never know until you've tried.

post #3112 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

I'm afraid all my sets can easily keep the other earpiece in the air, including the bassy one. That rules out magnet strength in my case. Still, thanks for the suggestion! :smile_phones:

 

Tomorrow I'll try to swap filters between my bassy set and a "reference" one. Tbh, I'd be surprised if they'd turn out to be the culprit, but you never know until you've tried.

Ok, let us know how it worked out. Really keen on getting out what is making the difference :mad: 


Edited by Miyaichi - 6/25/14 at 2:22pm
post #3113 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

I'm afraid all my sets can easily keep the other earpiece in the air, including the bassy one. That rules out magnet strength in my case. Still, thanks for the suggestion! smile_phones.gif

Tomorrow I'll try to swap filters between my bassy set and a "reference" one. Tbh, I'd be surprised if they'd turn out to be the culprit, but you never know until you've tried.

Sometimes they use dampening material in addition to the filter. This is what I think could be the cause.
post #3114 of 5954
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

So if the strain relief is leaking air and causing extra bass, putting a piece of tape on the back vent should yield a significant difference. Not sure if enough air would be vented to do that long term but that would be a quick test before super gluing the strain relief.

 

Not necessarily. If airflow through the strain relief is larger than through the back vent, taping that vent may not yield much of a difference.

 

I've tried to seal both the strain reliefs and back vents on my bassy Tenores with duct tape, but these things are so tiny and I'm too damn clumsy to do it properly. :mad:

 

That said, I've also shot (crappy) macro pics of the strain reliefs and they might show a difference (left = bassy, right = reference):

 

 

Actually, the picture quality is too bad to tell for sure, but I'm going to redo the shots tomorrow in better lighting conditions.

post #3115 of 5954

hmm gonna see if mine has a vent in the relief :o

post #3116 of 5954
Hmm, that looks like a decent sized strain relief vent. Time to do some super glue testing!
post #3117 of 5954

that might be the culprit :)

post #3118 of 5954
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post
 

A few observations as I fell behind in this thread and spent the last couple days in catch up mode.

 

1.  @luisdent, thanks for the comparison between KC06 and Tenore.  Based on your observation I'm once again questioning whether I have reference Tenores or bass-heavy ones, as I find the KC06 to have the more airy mids not the other way around.  Also between the two I find Tenore's darker.  We're in full agreement on the fit and isolation and bass.

 

2. @Pastapipo, I hear "ts-ts-ts-ts" for KC06 and Tenore.  So more natural sounding, not smooth..

 

3. Magnets!  About 100 pages back, someone posted a picture of Tenores stuck together because of the strong magnet.  I tried this a few times and at most I get them to 'kiss' when hanging them side by side.  They won't stick together though.  Does that mean I don't have reference pair?

 

To me the tenore hi-hats and whatnot sound very real, but relatively speaking, the tenore sounds like Ssss-Ssss-Ssss, while the kc06 sounds like Tsss-Tsss-Tsss. There is a slightly more metallic-ness to anything metal. Acoustic guitar strings, percussions, chimes, etc. They (kc06) sound more believably metallic to me by a slight margin. Compared to other iems, they both sound a lot more metallic and realistic when called upon to represent that sound.

 

As for the bass, with the correct fit on both, my tenore and my kc06 are almost the same overall flat response. The tenore has a touch more sub bass while the kc06 has a touch more regular bass. However, the tenore is almost a ruler up to the top end, without a teeny bump around 2-3khz like the er4s (but less) and a slight dip around the 4khz region here or there. Both very slight.

 

While the kc06 treble sounds better to my ears where it is prominent, as thought it is very very smooth in that area, but it does sound a hair about neutral. And the extension doesn't disappear, but it starts a downward slope in the very high treble where the tenore just keeps going. This slope along with the slight increase in regular bass, plus the general "v" tilt gives them a darker (for lack of better words) tone than my tenore. However the tenore has more low low end, but the linearity and extension give it the lightness comparatively speaking.

 

Here is a very very quick drawing I made to illustrate how I hear them. These are generalized graphs, they aren't meant to represent any specific frequencies, but just how I hear the overall differences in regions. The differences are pretty small considering most earphones sound drastically worse ;) hehe And the graphs don't represent scale or anything either. Just  a general idea.

 

AppleMark

 

Also, the kc06 is a lot louder at the same volume than the tenore...

post #3119 of 5954
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Sometimes they use dampening material in addition to the filter. This is what I think could be the cause.

 

I think we mean the same thing: damper = filter. Used for adding acoustic resistance, unlike a mesh / grill which is usually just for protection.

post #3120 of 5954

Uber geeky photo shoot coming up.

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