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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (281)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (98)
    Carbo Basso
379 Total Votes  
post #2986 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post


Yes I totally agree with you on this. It's very sad indeed...everything's dictated by the record companies, even what songs to record right up to the type of music arrangement.

Oh btw guys if you like some kick ass bass check out this guy...Victor Wooten...one of my fav bassist....even the bass heavy Tenores will enjoy this biggrin.gif

Man, I can imagine how this would sound on proper master.  It would be fantastic with lots of details in it.  You have high fidelity version of this?  Imma look him up.  Just fantastic.  Most high fidelity set of recording I've heard this is super detailed is the Marantz audiophile CDs, it's amazingly detailed and realstic.  Some tracks on their will knock your socks off.  There are some really fantastic chinese traditional instruments in it, it's rediculously realistic sounding that I never thought I would be so interested in Chinese instruments.  :D

post #2987 of 5986
I spent the morning comparing the stock tips with James444's tip vent mod (on stock tips) and the comply s200 tips.

The tips vent mod sounds the best for me- it takes away just enough deep bass and treble sounds airer. The s200 tips reduce bass even more while having the same airer treble of tip vent mod. I'm not sure if the treble sounds airer due to less bass or if having loose/leaky seal is altering the treble as well. It remains smooth and extended with both.

I recommend trying both of these on bassier variations to tune the signature with better linearity and reduce deep bass to taste.
post #2988 of 5986
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Man, I can imagine how this would sound on proper master.  It would be fantastic with lots of details in it.  You have high fidelity version of this?  Imma look him up.  Just fantastic.  Most high fidelity set of recording I've heard this is super detailed is the Marantz audiophile CDs, it's amazingly detailed and realstic.  Some tracks on their will knock your socks off.  There are some really fantastic chinese traditional instruments in it, it's rediculously realistic sounding that I never thought I would be so interested in Chinese instruments.  :D

SilverEars...if you like Victor Wooten he has a couple of solo albums and he also performed with a group called Bella Fleck & The Flecktones and my favorite album from them is "UFO Tofu" which is a very old album but fantastic music. The recording for UFO Tofu is not Chesky standard though but very enjoyable.


Edited by Francisk - 6/21/14 at 10:54am
post #2989 of 5986
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

I spent the morning comparing the stock tips with James444's tip vent mod (on stock tips) and the comply s200 tips.

The tips vent mod sounds the best for me- it takes away just enough deep bass and treble sounds airer. The s200 tips reduce bass even more while having the same airer treble of tip vent mod. I'm not sure if the treble sounds airer due to less bass or if having loose/leaky seal is altering the treble as well. It remains smooth and extended with both.

I recommend trying both of these on bassier variations to tune the signature with better linearity and reduce deep bass to taste.

 

Since my pairs aren't that bassy, i am more interested in soundstage. The default tips aren't bad, but the meelec flanges make them sound congested in comparison, without sacrificing isolation. How do the s200s perform in this regard?

 

I think that the treble just gets more apparent compared to the bass, the meelecs offer an airtight seal and i perceive the treble as airier compared to the treble produced with the default tips. 


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/21/14 at 8:45am
post #2990 of 5986
For me the treble is unusually impervious to bore size and insertion depth. Any and all changes in sound for me are a result of seal. But yes the tip vent mod and s200 tips give me a greater sense of space and depth with the increased airiness.
post #2991 of 5986
Yes I'll try the tip vent mod too
post #2992 of 5986

Tenore is down to $50 from the $60 I paid about a month ago via Amazon

 

Wow :smile:

post #2993 of 5986
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

For me the treble is unusually impervious to bore size and insertion depth. Any and all changes in sound for me are a result of seal. But yes the tip vent mod and s200 tips give me a greater sense of space and depth with the increased airiness.

I'm guessing this is the same as James FX850 mod? I'll have to give that a go later; experimenting with tips now that Luis brought up all the changes accompanying different tips. Space and depth are definitely on my list of wants at the moment
post #2994 of 5986
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

I spent the morning comparing the stock tips with James444's tip vent mod (on stock tips) and the comply s200 tips.

The tips vent mod sounds the best for me- it takes away just enough deep bass and treble sounds airer. The s200 tips reduce bass even more while having the same airer treble of tip vent mod. I'm not sure if the treble sounds airer due to less bass or if having loose/leaky seal is altering the treble as well. It remains smooth and extended with both.

I recommend trying both of these on bassier variations to tune the signature with better linearity and reduce deep bass to taste.

Inspired me to give it a go.

Almost 2mm wide strip causes a very strong drop in the low end. Probably even a 2-3dB roll from 30-20Hz from an otherwise linear bass. Overall, sound is much more pleasant from a quick initial listen. Not insignificantly smoother. Almost makes me think that the bass was contributing more than I would have assumed to that edge I heard before. Need more time with it.

And I applaud your dexterity to be able to A/B this with other tips in a reasonable manner lol. I likely couldn't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

For me the treble is unusually impervious to bore size and insertion depth. Any and all changes in sound for me are a result of seal. But yes the tip vent mod and s200 tips give me a greater sense of space and depth with the increased airiness.

x2. Although less FR-related, they do sound smoother with the mod, as noted above.

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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

I'm guessing this is the same as James FX850 mod? I'll have to give that a go later; experimenting with tips now that Luis brought up all the changes accompanying different tips. Space and depth are definitely on my list of wants at the moment

The very same. Soon everything on head-fi will be PF-ized with this.
Edited by vwinter - 6/21/14 at 10:55am
post #2995 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

I'm guessing this is the same as James FX850 mod? I'll have to give that a go later; experimenting with tips now that Luis brought up all the changes accompanying different tips. Space and depth are definitely on my list of wants at the moment

Yes, the same one. It wasn't enough on the FX850 for me but seems pretty darn good on the Tenore.

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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

Inspired me to give it a go.

Almost 2mm wide strip causes a very strong drop in the low end. Probably even a 2-3dB roll from 30-20Hz from an otherwise linear bass. Overall, sound is much more pleasant from a quick initial listen. Not insignificantly smoother. Almost makes me think that the bass was contributing more than I would have assumed to that edge I heard before. Need more time with it.

And I applaud your dexterity to be able to A/B this with other tips in a reasonable manner lol. I likely couldn't.
x2. Although less FR-related, they do sound smoother with the mod, as noted above.
The very same. Soon everything on head-fi will be PF-ized with this.

I used multiple sets of Tenore's- all with different tip set ups and a Fiio switcher.

It also thins the bass note out and this is helping with my perception of increased airiness.
post #2996 of 5986

Could anyone comment on how the basso's and tenore's compare to jvc fxt90's? Thanks :D

post #2997 of 5986
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Originally Posted by jailhouselounge View Post

Could anyone comment on how the basso's and tenore's compare to jvc fxt90's? Thanks biggrin.gif

Haven't had the FXT90's for a long time, but I listened to them a lot and got really familiar with their signature. I'd be okay with making a few generalizations about them. The mids had more of a treble tilt, with more sibilance accentuation on tracks with sibilance issues than on the Tenore and Basso. The FXT90 also has more mid-bass than the Tenore for sure, but might be pretty close to the Basso. Thing is, the Basso will likely sound warmer because of its smooth, non-accentuated treble.

The treble in general on the Tenore is also smoother than on the FXT90, with less sparkle, but with much better timbre and resolution. There are no major peaks to mask any part of the treble on the Tenore. The Basso is similar in this regard, with even less high emphasis than the Tenore, but only by a bit, making for an overall smoother, less fatiguing listen.

Don't think I can say much more about them for certain, but I'd like to emphasize that the treble would probably be the biggest difference between them iirc.
post #2998 of 5986

Got my MH1 finaly, after first package got lost the seller sent me another one.

I like the tips, they make the Tenores a bit bassy but fun sounding so for my trance and the likes they really shine. I think I'm a bit of a basshead, not on the heavy side but I like my bass on my music. The soundstage is still wide enough and the sound is still airy, good instrument separation with good treble extension and detail. Besides the slightly bigger bass they sound a bit different from the hybrids, but I can't put my finger on the differencies. So is good for the tenores that you can make them to suit almost every type of sound preference with only a bit of the tips change.

Now I can see from where the sound comes, I really think the tenores are a direct upgrade for MH1. MH1 have more bass and the treble is not as refined nor extended, but they share some sonic caracteristics. Amazing value for the money, got them for like 12$, they are must have for every hobbyist. Interestingly enough they are working with my Lumia phone without any adapter, all 3 buttons including the volume ones despite the fact that I don't have the "c" version. Did I said something about the cable? Do I have to add anything in that regard haha?

post #2999 of 5986

I got rid of the Tenores a week ago but didn't find the time to post my impressions, here it is:

 

I mainly listen to Indie/Alternative music.

 

Fit, quality, etc:

Enough said on this tread about this subject. Looks good, fits well and feather light.

I only had them for a short time so durability wasn't a problem for me, but I can understand why some have some fear on this subject.

With stock tips I noticed some driverflex, although not as much as some other people had. When I used some wider tips (comparable to the sony hybrids) I didn't notice it any more.

 

Bass:

Perfect.

Nice deep rumble, tight and not too present while kicking in when asked for. 

Sometimes I EQ'd the bass one notch up when I wanted some extra rumble, they obeyed without whining.

There is little midbass, together with the excellent clarity made the Tenores sound a bit dry to my ears, but nothing I didn't like. 

 

Mids:

Again, amazing. 

The sound makes me think of premium bookshelf speakers resonating in an housing made out of multiple layers of wood.

Clear and balanced. It has the same dry nature as the bass while packing energy. Distorted guitars sound powerful while showing good separation.

Acoustic guitars sound like the ones you cannot afford with fresh strings on them.

I wouldn't go as far as calling them the opposite of lush and warm, but they have some ambition towards the analytical guild.

Still I didn't find them extremely detailed, but there was nothing lacking either. very enjoyable.

 

Highs:

Here's when I started crying.

At first I was astonished by their treble extension, till I listened a bit more.

Some tracks sound just too smooth for my liking. Even grainy at times.

Especially cymbals sounded off to my ears. Like they used cheap light materials for the metal of the cymbals.

The hissing and grainy highs ruins some songs completely. (The War On Drugs - Under the Pressure)

While others showed no problem due to their cymbal shy setup ( Coldplay - Magic)

On advice, I tried a lot of different tips, while reducing the grainy and hissing sounds with a shallow fit, the overly smooth nature remained.

Don't know if I have such a specific tase or I'm just being a little girl, but I couldn't listen to them and got rid of them.

Such a shame since these seemed to perfectly fit my favourite sound signature. 

post #3000 of 5986
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

I spent the morning comparing the stock tips with James444's tip vent mod (on stock tips) and the comply s200 tips.

The tips vent mod sounds the best for me- it takes away just enough deep bass and treble sounds airer. The s200 tips reduce bass even more while having the same airer treble of tip vent mod. I'm not sure if the treble sounds airer due to less bass or if having loose/leaky seal is altering the treble as well. It remains smooth and extended with both.

I recommend trying both of these on bassier variations to tune the signature with better linearity and reduce deep bass to taste.

 

Linky to the vent mod...can't find the post.

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