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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2881 of 5954
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

Doppios in my ears and sound amazing 😁

 

Temptation begone! My faith to the Almighty Tenore which is my Lord and Savior protects me!


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/18/14 at 3:13pm
post #2882 of 5954
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 

 

Temptation begone! My faith to Tenore, my Lord and Savior protects me!

 

 

I truly laughed at this. Instead of a rosary, you're holding a tenore

post #2883 of 5954

This is the sign of our Lord. It died for our low fidelity gear, praised be its soundstage! 

post #2884 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Ostry KC06 vs. Zero Audio Carbo Tenore

 

Today I spent about an hour going back and forth between my KC06 (not KC06A) and the Tenore with various tracks. In short, I ended up preferring the KC06 by a slight margin, but couldn't pick a clear winner. Both of these IEMs are excellent and able to hold their own even against top tiers.

 

So here's my recommendation to those who're not in a position to buy or even try super expensive IEMs: get both of these, keep the one you prefer and you'll not miss out much, if anything.

 

Some things to consider:

- Isolation: Tenore wins easily, if you need good isolation, then forget about the KC06.

- Mids: more emphasized and clearer on the KC06. If you're a mids lover, you'll probably prefer them over the Tenores.

- Bass: more deep bass on the Tenores. But even though the KC06 have a tad more mid bass and slam, they steer better clear of the lower mids. Comparatively, the Tenores seem slightly veiled in that range.

- Highs: KC06 aren't bad at all, but the Tenores sound airier and smoother. Simply world-class treble on the Tenores, period.

- Soundstage: Being the less isolating IEMs, the KC06 sound more open. But despite their good isolation, the Tenores offer a very generous stage size.

- Dynamics, depth and layering: This is where both fall a tiny bit short of the best phones I've heard in that regard. KC06 are quite a bit better than the Tenores, the latter feel somewhat restricted in dynamics and depth.

- Detail and separation: very good on both, with slight advantages in their respectively emphasized ranges. (E.g. better intelligibility of vocals on the KC06 due to more mid-emphasis, clearer deep bass lines on the Tenores due to more low-end emphasis.)

 

That's all I can think of for now. Hope some will find it helpful. :smile_phones: 

 

(Disclaimer: there seem to be different versions of the Tenores out there, so your Tenore may not sound the same as mine)

post #2885 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Ostry KC06 vs. Zero Audio Carbo Tenore

 

Today I spent about an hour going back and forth between my KC06 (not KC06A) and the Tenore with various tracks. In short, I ended up preferring the KC06 by a slight margin, but couldn't pick a clear winner. Both of these IEMs are excellent and able to hold their own even against top tiers.

 

So here's my recommendation to those who're not in a position to buy or even try super expensive IEMs: get both of these, keep the one you prefer and you'll not miss out much, if anything.

 

Some things to consider:

- Isolation: Tenore wins easily, if you need good isolation, then forget about the KC06.

- Mids: more emphasized and clearer on the KC06. If you're a mids lover, you'll probably prefer them over the Tenores.

- Bass: more deep bass on the Tenores. But even though the KC06 have a tad more mid bass and slam, they steer better clear of the lower mids. Comparatively, the Tenores seem slightly veiled in that range.

- Highs: KC06 aren't bad at all, but the Tenores sound airier and smoother. Simply world-class treble on the Tenores, period.

- Soundstage: Being the less isolating IEMs, the KC06 sound more open. But despite their good isolation, the Tenores offer a very generous stage size.

- Dynamics, depth and layering: This is where both fall a tiny bit short of the best phones I've heard in that regard. KC06 are quite a bit better than the Tenores, the latter feel somewhat restricted in dynamics and depth.

- Detail and separation: very good on both, with slight advantages in their respectively emphasized ranges. (E.g. better intelligibility of vocals on the KC06 due to more mid-emphasis, clearer deep bass lines on the Tenores due to more low-end emphasis.)

 

That's all I can think of for now. Hope some will find it helpful. :smile_phones: 

 

(Disclaimer: there seem to be different versions of the Tenores out there, so your Tenore may not sound the same as mine)

 

Thank you for the impressions James! I wouldn't call myself a midhead exactly (i like a flat and neutral sound the best) but mids are the range i tend to concentrate the most so i will definitely get a KC06. 

post #2886 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post


Man now I'm quite interested in hearing the KC06. I find your impressions of the mids most interesting. The Tenore (reference version) has mids quite nearly as forward as the ER4S. There may be a 1-2dB difference, but with red filters they are very close.

In fact I've been listening to the ER4S for the past few days and just received my seventh Tenore, this one from Amazon. The mids are very close to the ER4S with red filters in emphasis and tonality, with maybe a bit less high-mid emphasis. After a few songs it seems to be a reference pair just like my other pair and luisdent's four pairs. So I feel more confident that this sound signature is Zero Audio's desired tuning, although we do still have a small sample size. Maybe we could start a "is my Tenore reference?" service lol.

Also your description of the lower mids is very interesting to me. The KC06 has more mid-bass, but the Tenore is slightly more veiled? Perhaps you could translate that for a FReak like myself lol. I wouldn't be surprised if you hear the Tenore differently due to different ear architecture, but I'm also still just a little curious as to whether your Tenore sounds like ours do. I think it does, but your above descriptions of the mids and lower mids seem a little different. Always appreciate your impressions James.

Edit: I can see someone finding the mid-bass to be slightly lacking in the Tenore if one is used to the UERM or JH13. Those are both more lifted in that area compared to the Tenore, which is more ER4S-like in the mid-bass. I don't recall the K3003 as well in the mid-bass area, but that might have a little more emphasis as well. Seems like more totl models go for a little more lift throughout the whole bass region rather than just low bass. The Roxanne and Kaiser 10 did this as well iirc. It's a much different presentation, and can make the Tenore sound leaner in comparison.
Edited by gnarlsagan - 6/19/14 at 10:39am
post #2887 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Thank you.  Did you think the Tenores sounded overly smooth, and cutting off the micro details?  I thought it has good stage, and not too much bass and tight sound, until the sound degraded to hollow sounding mids, and unruley treble.  :(

post #2888 of 5954
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Thank you.  Did you think the Tenores sounded overly smooth, and cutting off the micro details?  I thought it has good stage, and not too much bass and tight sound, until the sound degraded to hollow sounding mids, and unruley treble.  :(

 

Perceiving the mids as hollow can be subjective, but the Tenore treble is anything but unruly, it's smooth and controlled no matter what you compare it with. You either weren't getting a proper seal or your pair was defective. James described the Tenore treble as world-class, so i don't know what more you expect to hear. 

post #2889 of 5954
I'll be comparing my supposed reference tenore with the kc06 soon. It will be interesting to see how my tenore compared vs james'...

I also think the neutral mids can be perceived as hollow to some people that are long used to iems with lacking bass and treble. Depends on the user. But i'm very curious to hear the kc06 now. :-)
post #2890 of 5954
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 

 

Perceiving the mids as hollow can be subjective, but the Tenore treble is anything but unruly, it's smooth and controlled no matter what you compare it with. You either weren't getting a proper seal or your pair was defective. James described the Tenore treble as world-class, so i don't know what more you expect to hear. 

 

I agree. Fit and angle seems to matter a lot, in my opinion.  

post #2891 of 5954
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I'll be comparing my supposed reference tenore with the kc06 soon. It will be interesting to see how my tenore compared vs james'...

I also think the neutral mids can be perceived as hollow to some people that are long used to iems with lacking bass and treble. Depends on the user. But i'm very curious to hear the kc06 now. :-)
Going back and forth between the tenore and kc06, one would be able to hear why some people say the the tenore is missing something in the high bass/low mids spectrum.
post #2892 of 5954
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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post


Going back and forth between the tenore and kc06, one would be able to hear why some people say the the tenore is missing something in the high bass/low mids spectrum.

 

Yeah, it's missing a boost :p

post #2893 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

Today I spent about an hour going back and forth between my KC06 (not KC06A) and the Tenore with various tracks. In short, I ended up preferring the KC06 by a slight margin, but couldn't pick a clear winner. Both of these IEMs are excellent and able to hold their own even against top tiers.

 

So here's my recommendation to those who're not in a position to buy or even try super expensive IEMs: get both of these, keep the one you prefer and you'll not miss out much, if anything

 

Awesome. Nice to see the KC06's getting some well deserved validation :)

post #2894 of 5954
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I agree. Fit and angle seems to matter a lot, in my opinion.  

Absoluetly.
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post

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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post

Going back and forth between the tenore and kc06, one would be able to hear why some people say the the tenore is missing something in the high bass/low mids spectrum.

Yeah, it's missing a boost tongue.gif

Haha :-P
post #2895 of 5954
A good pair of ears just posted some detailed comparison impressions between the UERM, ER-4 P&S and Tenore on another site. I don't think I'm allowed to post the link, so don't ask... Aarrr Matey.
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