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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2851 of 5960

Gnarlsagan, you're going to crap yourself if these phillips tips work as well for you as they do for me. I'm comparing them to my er4s side by side at this very instant. With red filters on the er4s.

 

My tenores are literally almost identical from say 80hz up to somewhere in the 12khz area or so (best guess without tones). But the sub bass is not boosted, but ppppeeeerrrfectly level and the treble goes up even higher. I'm almost in shock myself how exactly the same they sound. I literally would think the same driver and everything was being used for these given the similarities. I almost would have thought I accidentally put the tenores in again. :-P However, the differences in FR at a minimum make the tenores sound a touch more open and deep (very very sightly).

 

I'm literally in a dream state. I've been praying for a shallow fit er4s with better sub bass for a long time AND I get better treble extension? I'm afraid I might have offered my soul at some point in my desperation and now I think my prayer was answered. So I'm starting to worriy what will happen to my soul. :-P

 

As I've said before... wow. wow. wow.

 

(throws a large shovelful of coal into the hype-train's furnace)


Edited by luisdent - 6/17/14 at 7:35pm
post #2852 of 5960

These Tenores are becoming too intriguing. I think next week I'll drop the hammer.

Is there any specific seller you're acquiring these 'reference' pairs from. Or luck of the draw?

Thanks.
 

post #2853 of 5960
Quote:
Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post
 

These Tenores are becoming too intriguing. I think next week I'll drop the hammer.

Is there any specific seller you're acquiring these 'reference' pairs from. Or luck of the draw?

Thanks.
 

 

I've bought all of mine from the ebay seller mentioned earlier woodlandhills_cass. I have four reference sets from him and gnarlsagan has one. I'm not sure about other people. But gnarlsagan also got a bass-light version from him, so I don't think you'll be guaranteed success from any specific seller unfortunately. If I were you, I would do one of two things... Literally.

 

1) But at least 3 pairs from a seller that allows returns easily. This way you can at least get an idea if any are super bassy or super bass-light. Return the non-reference sets.

 

2) Buy just one and whether it's bassy or not you might still like the overall sound. And this is somewhat adjustable by depth and tip choice.

 

I find the bass light variant gnarlsagan has to be the worst sounding I've heard, however you can rectify this with a very deep fit if that works for you, which brings the bass back. As discussed more than once, this sucks, and you probably won't know if you're gonna get a reference set or not, but I say it's worth a short if you're not too strapped for cash and you're patient. If you get a reference set it's quite impressive. And the phillips tips for me just push it to that very last extreme level of awesomeness (very slightly).


Edited by luisdent - 6/17/14 at 7:50pm
post #2854 of 5960
Just hope for the best 😃
post #2855 of 5960
Quote:
Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

Gnarlsagan, you're going to crap yourself if these phillips tips work as well for you as they do for me. I'm comparing them to my er4s side by side at this very instant. With red filters on the er4s.

 

My tenores are literally almost identical from say 80hz up to somewhere in the 12khz area or so (best guess without tones). But the sub bass is not boosted, but ppppeeeerrrfectly level and the treble goes up even higher. I'm almost in shock myself how exactly the same they sound. I literally would think the same driver and everything was being used for these given the similarities. I almost would have thought I accidentally put the tenores in again. :-P However, the differences in FR at a minimum make the tenores sound a touch more open and deep (very very sightly).

 

I'm literally in a dream state. I've been praying for a shallow fit er4s with better sub bass for a long time AND I get better treble extension? I'm afraid I might have offered my soul at some point in my desperation and now I think my prayer was answered. So I'm starting to worriy what will happen to my soul. :-P

 

As I've said before... wow. wow. wow.

 

(throws a large shovelful of coal into the hype-train's furnace)

 

I've never been so hyped on tips. 

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post
 

These Tenores are becoming too intriguing. I think next week I'll drop the hammer.

Is there any specific seller you're acquiring these 'reference' pairs from. Or luck of the draw?

Thanks.
 

 

+1 to what lusident said. Returns are allowed on Amazon if you get one from one of the Prime sellers. Other sellers offer returns too, you just need to check out their policy. I've been able to return four pairs. I'd buy a couple just to see how they compare. I have one coming from Amazon on Thursday. 

post #2856 of 5960
Quote:
Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post
 

These Tenores are becoming too intriguing. I think next week I'll drop the hammer.

Is there any specific seller you're acquiring these 'reference' pairs from. Or luck of the draw?

Thanks.
 

 

 

According to SGS, my pair is one of the bassier sets, but I'm loving the ***** out of it

post #2857 of 5960
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post
 

These Tenores are becoming too intriguing. I think next week I'll drop the hammer.

Is there any specific seller you're acquiring these 'reference' pairs from. Or luck of the draw?

Thanks.
 

 

 

According to SGS, my pair is one of the bassier sets, but I'm loving the ***** out of it

 

Yeah, Bassy or not, most people seem to find the treble isn't affected. So it would be a warmer, but very smooth response. I bet that sounds really good still while being a bit more relaxing. I'm guessing wearing my reference set very deep with the mh1 tips is somewhat similar to your set shallow with stock tips if I had to guess. Maybe not as much difference, but shifted in that direction... But that's just a guess...

post #2858 of 5960
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

I've bought all of mine from the ebay seller mentioned earlier woodlandhills_cass. I have four reference sets from him and gnarlsagan has one. I'm not sure about other people. But gnarlsagan also got a bass-light version from him, so I don't think you'll be guaranteed success from any specific seller unfortunately. If I were you, I would do one of two things... Literally.

 

1) But at least 3 pairs from a seller that allows returns easily. This way you can at least get an idea if any are super bassy or super bass-light. Return the non-reference sets.

 

2) Buy just one and whether it's bassy or not you might still like the overall sound.

 

I find the bass light variant gnarlsagan has to be the worst sounding I've heard, however you can rectify this with a very deep fit if that works for you. As discussed more than once, this sucks, and you probably won't know if you're gonna get a reference set or not, but I say it's worth a short if you're not too strapped for cash. If you get a reference set it's quite impressive. And the phillips tips for me just push it to that very last extreme level of awesomeness (very slightly).


Thanks luisdent. I'll try my luck with one set and see what happens first.

I had two pairs of KC06 which sounded slightly different, one of them had an edge in clarity and soundstage width, you could hear extra detail in the upper mid-range. This is why I always try to buy the very IEM In my hand as it's also happened between a pair of Westone 4 and W4R. Mind you I had all with me at the same time.

Unforunately,  Westone 4 thread members didn't want any part of my little finding and wrote it off as placebo or 'cray cray' 
:p (Uncle H20 has been known to be a little cray cray though)

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post
 

 

I've never been so hyped on tips. 

 

 

 

+1 to what lusident said. Returns are allowed on Amazon if you get one from one of the Prime sellers. Other sellers offer returns too, you just need to check out their policy. I've been able to return four pairs. I'd buy a couple just to see how they compare. I have one coming from Amazon on Thursday. 


I will try one first then maybe I'll like it. Gotta be in it to win it.

 

 
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

Just hope for the best 😃
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

 

According to SGS, my pair is one of the bassier sets, but I'm loving the ***** out of it



Thanks guys! Next week I'll make the purchase. H20 spent too much money on used FAD Heaven IV as an impulse purchase this week.  :rolleyes: 

post #2859 of 5960
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post
 

I've never been so hyped on tips. 

 

Well, it's hard to know what a tip will sound like in someone else's ears. Usually not identical. However, one other person had a similar effect on bass with these tips. Cross your fingers. :-P

post #2860 of 5960
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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post

I have two pairs of unopened tenores that I'm willing to trade for a pair of Sony h3 or for a pair of JVC FX 850. If anyone is interested in trading it should be well worth it to you.

 

Lol, x2. Heck, I'd trade both of my incoming brand new Tenores for a backup pair of JVC FX850s. PM me if interested. :smile_phones:

post #2861 of 5960
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post

I have two pairs of unopened tenores that I'm willing to trade for a pair of Sony h3 or for a pair of JVC FX 850. If anyone is interested in trading it should be well worth it to you.

 

Lol, x2. Heck, I'd trade both of my incoming brand new Tenores for a backup pair of JVC FX850s. PM me if interested. :smile_phones:

 

Do you have to oil them? ;)

post #2862 of 5960
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
 

About a couple weeks ago I got to listen to Idsynchrono_24's Tenore. I compared closely to the SE846, Truth, and Answer. I felt that it handily bettered the SE846, but both the Truth and Answer were superior to the Tenore. I will say t was freakish how close the Tenore held up, but it was bettered in terms of dynamics, and more of a spacious feel. I thought the difference was only like 20% though, which is just plain ridiculous considering we're talking about a $50 phone in the same league as $650 and $1K even (and topping the $1K SE846). Needless to say I have two on the way for my household, and a third for a gift for a friend of my wife's!

 

Edit:  Just think of how awesome a sound is possible in the tiniest of tiny rigs if one would pair the Tenore with a Nano. I love the idea of that minuscule a setup topping many of the 'transportable' brick rigs that some tote around... 

 

I agree with your thoughts @cn11 and it seems we are in the minority.  The Tenore needs more dynamics and depth, then its the giant killer everyone keeps proclaiming it to be, in my opinion.

post #2863 of 5960

is there a link or post where there's an explanation on the difference between the Tenore, Basso and Doppio? I'm a bass head and listen to hip hop music, would i like these IEMs?

post #2864 of 5960
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Originally Posted by caracara08 View Post
 

 

I agree with your thoughts @cn11 and it seems we are in the minority.  The Tenore needs more dynamics and depth, then its the giant killer everyone keeps proclaiming it to be, in my opinion.

 

From my short listen the other day, I'd say it's mostly there to giant killer! It really doesn't need a whole lot more, just a tiny bit. 

 

If it had better dynamics, and more spaciousness, then I think it would pretty much signal the apocalypse of TOTL personal audio... 

post #2865 of 5960
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
 

 

From my short listen the other day, I'd say it's mostly there to giant killer! It really doesn't need a whole lot more, just a tiny bit. 

 

If it had better dynamics, and more spaciousness, then I think it would pretty much signal the apocalypse of TOTL personal audio... 

I remember Woodcans tellin me that the Tenore scales so ridiculously with the Hugo that he didn't need the KAEDE or K3003 anymore so... maybe that's the ticket. $40 phone plugged into a $2,400 source haha

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