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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2836 of 5960
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


In hopes of warranty coverage or newest stock?

 

Newest stock. Warranty would be a pita going through Tenso, and shipping would eat a good portion of the cost. 

post #2837 of 5960
Let them know the Tenore saved your marriage and you'll name your first born son Zero Audio. That should do it.

This is how you say it in Japanese;

私は猫耳がすき。

Ignore the length difference, Japanese is compact language.

(^ω^)
post #2838 of 5960
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

Unity makes good point with his joke though. As good as these are, and they are, you're playing the lottery here. It could be one set before you get what you want or 17. Or you can buy luisdent's for $999 wink.gif

We don't even know what it is. It could be shoddy quality control. It could be a tuning adjustment and, if so, no word from the Zero Audio about it that anyone seems to know about, nor then which one is even intended. The flatter bass set could be a happy accident for specific buyers.

Furthermore, you're dealing with a manufacturer that doesn't want anything to do with international buyers and won't provide any warranty service.

Tbh, people recommending these on sound alone makes sense, this is head-fi after all, the ultimate goal. But from a consumer standpoint, recommending these is irresponsible IMO.

I personally won't be playing this game, lining the pockets of manufacturer that wants nothing to do with me, hoping that a FR shift that may be unintentional will magically solve every one of the issues I have with them and will happily keep and listen to one set I have.


Also, for anyone that might care, I'll have a few updated impressions soon-ish with the improved FR given tip and fit change. Some things improved a bit, others didn't. It is what it is.

 

The irony is that I agree with everything you say here. The variance is unacceptable in my opinion, and it's not the price. I've had inexpensive sony earphones as low as $10 that I've heard multiple sets of that had no audible variance. Maybe that isn't a large enough pool of data, but to be honest, I've never heard any earphone or headphone with as much variance between pairs. Who knows, maybe it's a fluke here that we have experienced, but it seems like there is enough variation from even the same source to be a problem with quality control or something.

 

The lack of warranty coverage doesn't bother me too much, as the price is reasonably low for a good earphone, and you can buy backups for the price of one good earphone from another company. But again, I do understand why someone would want that service available to them. So I agree, and I completely understand why someone would avoid the tenore for these few reasons alone....

 

And yet, I haven't heard anything as neutral as the sets that I have. So for me, they are simply the best earphone I've heard. And what would I pay for the best earphone I've heard? Well, seeing as how I've tried some of the most expensive universal earphones, buying multiple tenores to not only get a reference set, but also have backups, doesn't seem that bad in terms of value to me personally. Again, I can understand why not everybody would look at it this way. However, for $200 I have 4 amazing earphones. That's a pretty good redundancy, and at $200 I've achieved a sound i'm extremely happy with. If you buy from a store that allows returns you can avoid getting stuck with a bass dud as well. Just my thoughts.

 

It is a sad thing that these problems could prevent someone from enjoying such a great and affordable earphone, and I'd gladly pay a lot more money for it if it were made to a higher quality control standard. I'm going to try and get a hold of the company and see if I can get any information from them. Maybe track down someone who has answers. I don't have high expectations, but maybe we could at least find out what causes the variance. Maybe we could even convince them to release a new version. It could be the zero audio mezzo soprano! :-P Or maybe just the baritone? :-P


Edited by luisdent - 6/17/14 at 5:13pm
post #2839 of 5960
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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post

Let them know the Tenore saved your marriage and you'll name your first born son Zero Audio. That should do it.

 

I've heard weirder names out there. Seems to be a popular trend lately; "what can we name our child that is the farthest thing from a human name" :-P

post #2840 of 5960
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

Shootout



Tenore v FX850 v XBA-H3

 

 

 

 

The saddest part to me is that people will read this and dismiss it because the Tenore is too cheap to be true. Even if they get it, they'll go into it with pre-conceived biases and not truly listen to this spectacular IEM.

 

All the same, I hope more people try it out, as well as the KC06 from Ostry.

 

I have both as well, the Ostry's and Tenores. 

 

Just yesterday I found myself putting my Dita's back into my bag and pulling out the Ostry's. I really wanted to listen to the music I was playing with the KC06's and not the Dita's. 

One is a $999 earphone, the other a $60 earphone. I have no words for members of Head-fi who still refuse to listen to both of these cheaper earphones, they really are gold nuggets waiting to be found for little cost. Also recommended, but with slightly different sound signatures are the other Zero Audio products, the Basso, and the more expensive doppio's.

post #2841 of 5960
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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post
 

 

I have both as well, the Ostry's and Tenores. 

 

Just yesterday I found myself putting my Dita's back into my bag and pulling out the Ostry's. I really wanted to listen to the music I was playing with the KC06's and not the Dita's. 

One is a $999 earphone, the other a $60 earphone. I have no words for members of Head-fi who still refuse to listen to both of these cheaper earphones, they really are gold nuggets waiting to be found for little cost. Also recommended, but with slightly different sound signatures are the other Zero Audio products, the Basso, and the more expensive doppio's.

 

 

It's simply people wanting to protect what they've paid for. Who wants to hear that the thing they just dropped over $1K for doesn't do every single thing perfectly, or that an iem 5% its cost can best it at anything?

 

 

The KC06 and Tenore are pure gold, IMO. I'm seriously considering riding off into the sunset with just those two, and forsaking all others.

post #2842 of 5960
Will you be getting the KC06A Carlsan?

I find the names of Greek Gods appealing smily_headphones1.gif

Also, Ruri Gokou cuz yeah.
post #2843 of 5960

KC06A - yes, when they become more available. 

Even though I find the bass of the KC06 to be fine as is. The big difference is the bass, if I'm not mistaken. 

 

I must say, I was really blown away when I first heard the Tenore's and Ostry's. 

 

If anyone is interested in trying out the other Zero Audio's, I have an extra pair of Basso's on the for sale forum's, bought two pair by mistake. 

post #2844 of 5960
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Originally Posted by Carlsan View Post
 

 

I have both as well, the Ostry's and Tenores. 

 

Just yesterday I found myself putting my Dita's back into my bag and pulling out the Ostry's. I really wanted to listen to the music I was playing with the KC06's and not the Dita's. 

One is a $999 earphone, the other a $60 earphone. I have no words for members of Head-fi who still refuse to listen to both of these cheaper earphones, they really are gold nuggets waiting to be found for little cost. Also recommended, but with slightly different sound signatures are the other Zero Audio products, the Basso, and the more expensive doppio's.

 

 

It's simply people wanting to protect what they've paid for. Who wants to hear that the thing they just dropped over $1K for doesn't do every single thing perfectly, or that an iem 5% its cost can best it at anything?

 

 

The KC06 and Tenore are pure gold, IMO. I'm seriously considering riding off into the sunset with just those two, and forsaking all others.

 

No kidding. I found I was using eq on every earphone I tried. Sometimes just as much on a pair of $800 earphones as on a pair of $200. Ironically, I hated eq when I started this adventure (I still prefer to not need it). It got to the point where I thought "if i need eq either way, and very good reference sound is achievable with eq on either set, why not save money and use eq on the cheaper set"? Sure some expensive earphones get certain things very "right", but for me the frequency response is so important that it dominates my listening experience.

 

Then came the tenore. No eq. I need "zero" eq. They should call them the zero eq. ha. Anyway, I'll come with you. We can throw our heads back and laugh as we ride into the sunset, wind through our hair, carbon housings glimmering gold in the sun while sounds of pure joy fill our ears and money fills our wallets...


Edited by luisdent - 6/17/14 at 5:48pm
post #2845 of 5960

About a couple weeks ago I got to listen to Idsynchrono_24's Tenore. I compared closely to the SE846, Truth, and Answer. I felt that it handily bettered the SE846, but both the Truth and Answer were superior to the Tenore. I will say t was freakish how close the Tenore held up, but it was bettered in terms of dynamics, and more of a spacious feel. I thought the difference was only like 20% though, which is just plain ridiculous considering we're talking about a $50 phone in the same league as $650 and $1K even (and topping the $1K SE846). Needless to say I have two on the way for my household, and a third for a gift for a friend of my wife's!

 

Edit:  Just think of how awesome a sound is possible in the tiniest of tiny rigs if one would pair the Tenore with a Nano. I love the idea of that minuscule a setup topping many of the 'transportable' brick rigs that some tote around... 


Edited by cn11 - 6/17/14 at 6:01pm
post #2846 of 5960
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post
 

About a couple weeks ago I got to listen to Idsynchrono_24's Tenore. I compared closely to the SE846, Truth, and Answer. I felt that it handily bettered the SE846, but both the Truth and Answer were superior to the Tenore. I will say t was freakish how close the Tenore held up, but it was bettered in terms of dynamics, and more of a spacious feel. I thought the difference was only like 20% though, which is just plain ridiculous considering we're talking about a $50 phone in the same league as $650 and $1K even (and topping the $1K SE846). Needless to say I have two on the way for my household, and a third for a gift for a friend of my wife's!

 

 

 

Lol, and people think I'm cray cray for saying it's better than the H3 and FX850...

 

Welcome to the club! :beerchug: 

post #2847 of 5960
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

 

 

Lol, and people think I'm cray cray for saying it's better than the H3 and FX850...

 

Welcome to the club! :beerchug: 

 

 

You're definitely not crazy... You should have seen Idsynchrono's expression when my face just went stark in amazement as I went back and forth with the Tenore and those TOTL IEMs..

post #2848 of 5960
I think its better then the fx850 as well as the reason for selling them 😁.... And with all the monies I made I bought the zx1(epic) and dx90(epic) I'm happy also the doppios are the best reference iem I heard and the tenore and dn2000 are the best natural iem I heard the dunu dn2000 being more transparent and detailed but natural as well😍
post #2849 of 5960
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post

About a couple weeks ago I got to listen to Idsynchrono_24's Tenore. I compared closely to the SE846, Truth, and Answer. I felt that it handily bettered the SE846, but both the Truth and Answer were superior to the Tenore. I will say t was freakish how close the Tenore held up, but it was bettered in terms of dynamics, and more of a spacious feel. I thought the difference was only like 20% though, which is just plain ridiculous considering we're talking about a $50 phone in the same league as $650 and $1K even (and topping the $1K SE846). Needless to say I have two on the way for my household, and a third for a gift for a friend of my wife's!

Edit:  Just think of how awesome a sound is possible in the tiniest of tiny rigs if one would pair the Tenore with a Nano. I love the idea of that minuscule a setup topping many of the 'transportable' brick rigs that some tote around... 

Any further comparisons to the 846 would be much appreciated. Super curious about that iem still.

Also guys the Tenore is now Prime eligible from a couple sellers on Amazon. Returns should be very simple if you get a dud. Just picked one up myself.
post #2850 of 5960
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Originally Posted by mochill View Post

I think its better then the fx850 as well as the reason for selling them 😁.... And with all the monies I made I bought the zx1(epic) and dx90(epic) I'm happy also the doppios are the best reference iem I heard and the tenore and dn2000 are the best natural iem I heard the dunu dn2000 being more transparent and detailed but natural as well😍

 

Yeah, I've been trying to beat him into loaning me his doppios to try. ;) haha

 

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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Any further comparisons to the 846 would be much appreciated. Super curious about that iem still.

Also guys the Tenore is now Prime eligible from a couple sellers on Amazon. Returns should be very simple if you get a dud. Just picked one up myself.

 

Yeah. Am I right in assuming the 846 with the right filters sounds very reference until the upper treble? That would explain why the tenore bests it. They are probably overall similar in response, with the tenore having noticeably better treble extension. This would however, make the shure sound a bit darker perhaps. Unless of course you had a bassier tenore. All speculation, but I'm very curious about the 846 vs. tenore personally.

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