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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2791 of 5962
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

Interesting. Mine are more secure than stock in terms of movement and "fit". They seem to seal about the same. Adding smaller tips underneath probably adds to the density. I have a feeling the low density of the silicon affects things somehow. Not really sure. Either way, I've been using them all day, and the sound is 100% consistent every time I put them in. So whatever the reason I have found my tips! :-) And they are sexy...

 

The difference in how securely they fit in our ears may be related to tip size. I need to use the largest size and from the pic I'd say yours is smaller. The silicone is simply too thin, imo, to offer sufficient support for the largest tips.

 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

I will say a trick to make these sound amazing when you find them a tad warm is to find the balance between a leaky and sealed fit. Not leaky enough for it to loose bass and not sealed enough for it to sound dark. I'm using very small tips from my LG Quadbeat. 
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

I know people have tried these with little success earlier in the thread so I was hesitant, but I threw on the smallest MH1 tips anyway because I was hearing things differently anyway and viola. The bass sounded flatter and the lower mids didn't scream out at me as being immediately off.

Running a controlled sine sweep back and forth and back and forth soon after, and, from the first time, they literally sound exactly as graphed by that one guy.

Time to give them another critical listening session as they are now "reference", but I can tell it's a solid improvement already. biggrin.gif

James, maybe they'll work for your ears too. Maybe worth a shot?

 

An ever so slightly leaky seal via smaller tips, or the front vent mod (which basically does the same), seems to be some sort of consensus for the bassy ones to get the best out of them.

 

@vwinter: my ears are like giant dark caverns, you could pour a dozen of those smallest MH1 tips in and would never see them again. :D Joking aside, for me it's the largest stock tips + front vent mod, not only do upper bass and lower mids sound noticeably less off, but they also sound more open overall, with better soundstage depth.


Edited by james444 - 6/16/14 at 11:15pm
post #2792 of 5962

Just got another pair from Ebay (same seller as everyone else)

 

This is a bassier pair. Directly comparing with my other 'reference' pair via headphone splitter:

 

It's pretty much identical above 1kHz.

~2dB up at 500 Hz

~6dB up at 200 Hz

~9dB up at 100 Hz and below

 

Not bad, but clearly far from reference. It doesn't have enough midbass to be obnoxious.


Edited by higbvuyb - 6/16/14 at 9:20pm
post #2793 of 5962

I can confirm that my bassier pair has a slightly longer cable.

post #2794 of 5962

I don't remember any other IEM having as many owners with multiple pairs...


Edited by PeterDLai - 6/16/14 at 11:21pm
post #2795 of 5962
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Originally Posted by PeterDLai View Post
 

I don't remember any other IEM having as many owners with multiple pairs...

 

Me neither. It's just that the good pairs do so little wrong. Some of the best sound from any in-ear imo. We should start a massive comparison campaign to really put these things through the paces. 

post #2796 of 5962

Cable lengths are the same (bassy vs non-bassy)

post #2797 of 5962
Perhaps no other IEM has come with such intriguing variation as to warrant ownership of multiple pairs :P.

Truly you guys should try and meet up to have a bigger pool for comparison. Tenore party!
Edited by hatefulsandwich - 6/17/14 at 12:17am
post #2798 of 5962

Guy i just wanted to share my experience with tenore . What an amazing IEM . I thought i had the bassy version but the sound is very balanced and analytical . I heard the song Tool - Eulogy one of my favourite of Tool , and i heard sounds i never heard before with other IEM. I 'm patiently waiting for my pk1 to arrive which costs more than tenore, and i hope they can compete tenore even though they are earbuds

post #2799 of 5962

Yesterday my Tenore also arrived - i think the sound is very balanced, definitely not a bassy version.

I tested it with AYA...Authentic Audio Check from Stockfish Records.

The AYA's (Authentic Audio Check) Are you Authentic? is from an association whose members are dedicated to the aim of providing an authentic musical experience in cars. "Are you Authentic" campaigns for "real" and "natural" sound reproduction.

 

The Tenore is definitely a GIANT KILLER - imho it outperforms easily W4R and other mid to high tiers.

I got best results with Sony Hybrids. Today i immediately ordered a second one as spare.

From today on sound quality definitely depends not on the price range - imho dynamic drivers get better and better.

In the near future there will be more dynamic flagships outperforming their competitors with multidriver balanced armatures.

post #2800 of 5962

I'm thinking of getting the Doppio as well . Should i expect a more detailed sound and more neutral bass? How are they compared to carbo? Is it worth the extra cash?

post #2801 of 5962
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

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Originally Posted by PeterDLai View Post

 
I don't remember any other IEM having as many owners with multiple pairs...

Me neither. It's just that the good pairs do so little wrong. Some of the best sound from any in-ear imo. We should start a massive comparison campaign to really put these things through the paces. 
I'm up for some extensive comparisons.
post #2802 of 5962

Has anyone gotten a bassy pair from Amazon.co.jp?  Maybe all of the ones from Amazon.co.jp are good ones.

post #2803 of 5962
Doppios is definitely worth it 😁
post #2804 of 5962

Shootout



Tenore v FX850 v XBA-H3

 

 

 

 

Massive threads already exist on all these IEMs, so I won't bother with an intro. Plus I don't know how much longer I'm going to withstand the effects of this Nyquil, so let's get to it:

 

 

Gear: Fiio X5 as a USB DAC/Amp

 

Process : Rapid A/B, followed by listening to sections of songs with each IEM. *I also took very special care to make sure the IEMs were volume matched after switching.

 

Songs used...

 

 

1) Bem, Bem, Maria - Gipsy Kings.

 

This song was chosen for the fact that it has a lot going on. From the Spanish guitar rhythms, to the drums, and to Nicolas Reyes' voice weaving in and out of it all, it remains a treat to listen to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) Kaleidescope Heart - Sara Bareilles.

 

This song is a test for vocal separation. There are multiple vocal tracks going at once, and I'm listening for how well the phones can distinguish between them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Make My - The Roots. 

 

 

 

 

I almost don't want to b

 

 

 

 

 

4) Helping Hand - Yo-Yo Ma, et al.

 

This happens to be one of my favorite tracks from one of my favorite albums. It's a showcase of what happens when geniuses come together to make music. This is one of the most beautiful videos you'll ever see, and the best sounding 360p youtube video I've come across.

 

 

 

 

 

 

5) Limit to Your Love - James Blake.

 

This song is pretty much my benchmark for bass and separation of frequencies on an iem. The track has a VERY solid bassline that kicks in, and beats like hummingbird wings, then rumbles your socks off. This is all going on while cymbal and a snare drum are being struck. One of the things I look for is the slight echo of the rimshot while the bassline is being played. Also, the cymbals can't be affected at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts

 

 

 

I don't want to say it. I don't want to believe it. But the truth is undeniable. The Tenore is far superior to these two iems.

 

The biggest thing to jump at me is just how much more refined the Tenore is over the others. It's so bloody effortless and smooth, while managing to be more detailed than the others. The Tenore makes the others sound somewhat like cheap earbuds...and I really liked the H3 when I compared it to my ASG-2.

 

The Tenore manages to easily flesh out each note, taking its time to refine and polish each one before releasing it to your eardrum. In comparison, the FX850 and H3 sound hollowed out and uneven in the treble. How the Tenore manages to be fuller and more refined without sacrificing a frickin thing is beyond me.

 

Soundstage is one thing that I feel like I should also address. The Tenore is more 3D sounding than both the H3 and FX850 by being more grounded in the center channel. That way, it throws cues seemingly exactly where needed. The others simply don't execute this as well as the Tenore does.

 

Another thing I'm beginning to appreciate is the spectacular timbre of the Tenore, especially in the vocals. It's truly special to hear. During the climax of Helping Hand, the Tenore blew my mind with its rendition of the strings. It was beautiful, and textured, and real.

 

It's not all roses with the Tenore though. The downside is that it can sound too intimate at times, but it's not too much of an issue. That, and dynamics seem to hit their ceiling fairly quickly.

 

 

The saddest part to me is that people will read this and dismiss it because the Tenore is too cheap to be true. Even if they get it, they'll go into it with pre-conceived biases and not truly listen to this spectacular IEM.

 

All the same, I hope more people try it out, as well as the KC06 from Ostry.

post #2805 of 5962
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How the Tenore manages to be fuller and more refined without sacrificing a frickin thing is beyond me

It's the incredibly flat frequency response. :-) no one believes me. :-P

Glad you're not afraid to admin quality at a low price. Sometimes price doesn't matter. Not always, but sometimes.
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