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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2746 of 5963
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post

@luisdent
 do you still have the "bassier" set from gnarlsagan?  Just wondering if you could put them side by side with your reference level ones and see if the cable length are identical.  
I didn't get a bassy pair from gnarlsagan. Just a reference and a bass light. He had some bassy pairs, but i think he ended up returning them..,
post #2747 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post

And they say love is color blind. My pair has been left untouched since i got the Tenores and i don't think this is a temporary difficulty in our relationship. I always suspected it wouldn't work though, i knew i could never get used to that ginormous bottom. I will probably dump it to a friend.

Damn, you beat me to the big booty joke wink_face.gif
post #2748 of 5963
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post


 

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post #2749 of 5963
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Originally Posted by UnityIsPower View Post

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No biggie so far, as the cable is still intact. Tucked it back into the strain relief and secured it with a drop of superglue.

 

I'll probably do the superglue thing on my new pairs right from the start, just to be on the safe side.

post #2750 of 5963
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Originally Posted by nmatheis View Post


Damn, you beat me to the big booty joke wink_face.gif

 

What booty joke, i am just not a bass-man :tongue_smile:.

 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Ha, your ruthless pricing has forced me to do the search for a reference pair myself. ;)

 

Ordered two more Tenores from different sellers. When they arrive, I'll sacrifice the worst of the bunch to experiments with the back vent and filters, maybe also open it up.

 

Despite the bass issue (and questionable build quality) on my current pair, I find these IEMs very enjoyable overall and agree with shotgunshane that they're the best microdriver implementation so far.

 

Another smurf has just joined our village :biggrin:. I am very curious to find out how your new pairs will turn up to be on the low end. Keep us in the loop :wink_face:.

 

While i do think that the Tenore has a weakness reproducing drums in some cases, it does a lot better with electric bass. I was listening to The Package by A Perfect Circle and i couldn't help but notice how nice the bass line sounded.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/15/14 at 6:19am
post #2751 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 

 

What booty joke, i am just not a bass-man :tongue_smile:.

:o 

post #2752 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

:o 

 

That was just an unlucky coincidence, i assure you. My intentions were pure, it's your interpretation that adds the innuendo.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/15/14 at 6:40am
post #2753 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SilverEars 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel 

What booty joke, i am just not a bass-man :drunk tongue:.

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[teenage humor]
Keep 'me rolling in, lol wink_face.gif
ginormous bottom end
bass-man
...
[/teenage humor]
Edited by nmatheis - 6/15/14 at 9:12am
post #2754 of 5963

I have found the tip of all tips for my ears! :-) Holy cow! I'm not even joking, if my sets were reference before, these have taken them one step closer to perfection. Keep in mind, tips will fit everybody differently and may not give the same results. However, if I had to guess, I think these probably sound better, because they allow the earphones to be even more shallow by just a touch. They're also somewhat softer and fit more easily in my ears in general, so the shallow fit might be sealing just right as opposed to requiring me to fit them a bit deeper to seal the standard tips. Just a theory.

 

Basically, These approach the flattest bass yet. If anyone is familiar with the dba02, These tips for me give a very very similar overall sound and bass level as the db02 fit very very deeply, with maybe 2db more low bass or something slight. But without any of the treble peakiness. As another point of reference for anyone who might not have the er4s...

 

These give the overall sound a more open and spacious sound. Not a huge difference from stock tips, but I'm of the mindset that small differences can still be noticeable...

 

New tips left, stock tips right, both similar medium size.:

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

AppleMark

 

A couple great things. First, the bore is the same size at least as stock tips, so I hear no treble cutoff at all. Also, these have the same overall stem fit, so no spacers or anything are needed. I don't know exactly which tips these are, but gnarlsagan is going to identify them for me. If I had to guess, I'd say they are the Phillips she3590 tips he was telling me about somewhere else. Not sure how easy they are to buy, but damn, I need them.

 

Ha. I just checked on amazon, and those earphone are $8. LMAO.  http://www.amazon.com/Philips-SHE3590BK-10-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B007TRUTZS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402852809&sr=8-1&keywords=philips+she3590

 

For that price it's like buying a cheap set of sony tips. haha.


Edited by luisdent - 6/15/14 at 10:20am
post #2755 of 5963
Quote:
Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I have found the tip of all tips for my ears! :-) Holy cow! I'm not even joking, if my sets were reference before, these have taken them one step closer to perfection. Keep in mind, tips will fit everybody differently and may not give the same results. However, if I had to guess, I think these probably sound better, because they allow the earphones to be even more shallow by just a touch. They're also somewhat softer and fit more easily in my ears in general, so the shallow fit might be sealing just right as opposed to requiring me to fit them a bit deeper to seal the standard tips. Just a theory.

Basically, These approach the flattest bass yet. If anyone is familiar with the dba02, These tips for me give a very very similar overall sound and bass level as the db02 fit very very deeply, with maybe 2db more low bass or something slight. But without any of the treble peakiness. As another point of reference for anyone who might not have the er4s...

These give the overall sound a more open and spacious sound. Not a huge difference from stock tips, but I'm of the mindset that small differences can still be noticeable...

New tips left, stock tips right, both similar medium size.:

AppleMark


AppleMark


AppleMark


AppleMark


A couple great things. First, the bore is the same size at least as stock tips, so I hear no treble cutoff at all. Also, these have the same overall stem fit, so no spacers or anything are needed. I don't know exactly which tips these are, but gnarlsagan is going to identify them for me. If I had to guess, I'd say they are the Phillips she3590 tips he was telling me about somewhere else. Not sure how easy they are to buy, but damn, I need them.

Yes those are the Philips SHE3590 tips. That iem only costs $8 btw, so less than what I've spent on many tips a la carte lol.
post #2756 of 5963

Sorry for the crappy quality. Here's a quick pic of their fit:

 

 

They do seem to allow the tenores to be farther out and that might explain the bass difference, as the bass on these seems very dependent on depth. But these are completely sealed, and I hear no variance in the treble, except that it sounds better from the very slightly lowered bass. For my ears, what these do in terms of level, is take the overall bass and low bass and bring it closer to er4s levels, but still more linear and not dropped off. Some people prefer more bass or the +6db bass rule or whatever. My tenores with stock tips for me are still very close to er4s bass, but again more linear, but this takes it a bit closer. Maybe 1-2db if I had to guess. But again, the small difference for me is pretty noticeable. It just adds a touch of openness and more refined overall sound. 


Edited by luisdent - 6/15/14 at 10:30am
post #2757 of 5963
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I have found the tip of all tips for my ears! :-) Holy cow! I'm not even joking, if my sets were reference before, these have taken them one step closer to perfection. Keep in mind, tips will fit everybody differently and may not give the same results. However, if I had to guess, I think these probably sound better, because they allow the earphones to be even more shallow by just a touch. They're also somewhat softer and fit more easily in my ears in general, so the shallow fit might be sealing just right as opposed to requiring me to fit them a bit deeper to seal the standard tips. Just a theory.

Basically, These approach the flattest bass yet. If anyone is familiar with the dba02, These tips for me give a very very similar overall sound and bass level as the db02 fit very very deeply, with maybe 2db more low bass or something slight. But without any of the treble peakiness. As another point of reference for anyone who might not have the er4s...

These give the overall sound a more open and spacious sound. Not a huge difference from stock tips, but I'm of the mindset that small differences can still be noticeable...

New tips left, stock tips right, both similar medium size.:

AppleMark


AppleMark


AppleMark


AppleMark


A couple great things. First, the bore is the same size at least as stock tips, so I hear no treble cutoff at all. Also, these have the same overall stem fit, so no spacers or anything are needed. I don't know exactly which tips these are, but gnarlsagan is going to identify them for me. If I had to guess, I'd say they are the Phillips she3590 tips he was telling me about somewhere else. Not sure how easy they are to buy, but damn, I need them.

Yes those are the Philips SHE3590 tips. That iem only costs $8 btw, so less than what I've spent on many tips a la carte lol.

 

Exactly. I'm definitely buying a set or two. :-P I assume they only come with one of each size tip?

post #2758 of 5963
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

Exactly. I'm definitely buying a set or two. :-P I assume they only come with one of each size tip?

Yeah one small, one medium and one large. The sound isn't bad either for an $8 iem.
post #2759 of 5963
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

I have found the tip of all tips for my ears! :-) Holy cow! I'm not even joking, if my sets were reference before, these have taken them one step closer to perfection.

 

...

 

Basically, These approach the flattest bass yet. If anyone is familiar with the dba02, These tips for me give a very very similar overall sound and bass level as the db02 fit very very deeply, with maybe 2db more low bass or something slight. But without any of the treble peakiness. As another point of reference for anyone who might not have the er4s...

 

These give the overall sound a more open and spacious sound. Not a huge difference from stock tips, but I'm of the mindset that small differences can still be noticeable...

Quote:
Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

Sorry for the crappy quality. Here's a quick pic of their fit:

 

 

They do seem to allow the tenores to be farther out and that might explain the bass difference, as the bass on these seems very dependent on depth. But these are completely sealed, and I hear no variance in the treble, except that it sounds better from the very slightly lowered bass. For my ears, what these do in terms of level, is take the overall bass and low bass and bring it closer to er4s levels, but still more linear and not dropped off. Some people prefer more bass or the +6db bass rule or whatever. My tenores with stock tips for me are still very close to er4s bass, but again more linear, but this takes it a bit closer. Maybe 1-2db if I had to guess. But again, the small difference for me is pretty noticeable. It just adds a touch of openness and more refined overall sound. 

 

Ymmv, but I know these Philips tips very well and I'd say with that kind of fit, they'll allow for a tiny amount of leakage. You may not even notice it, but it accounts for the difference in bass.

 

The front vent mod on the stock tips will have a similar effect on bass and soundstage, while retaining a deeper and more secure fit. JM2C, you should try it sometime.

post #2760 of 5963
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Ymmv, but I know these Philips tips very well and I'd say with that kind of fit, they'll allow for a tiny amount of leakage. You may not even notice it, but it accounts for the difference in bass.

 

The front vent mod on the stock tips will have a similar effect on bass and soundstage, while retaining a deeper and more secure fit. JM2C, you should try it sometime.

Looking at the picture, it doesn't look to be sealed very well.  It looked folded, and if folded, it opens up sections for bass leakage.  I also don't like the way it hangs down, it makes the fit angle awkward for bad fit.  This is why lots of iems makers go over ear.

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