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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (287)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (100)
    Carbo Basso
387 Total Votes  
post #2641 of 6000

Forgot to add that, apart from the above issue, the Tenores have actually been growing on me overall. Just saying, so people don't get the wrong impression. ;) 

post #2642 of 6000
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Ok, time domain or not, I think I've finally been able to put my finger on what's bugging me. My pair sounds every inch as vwinter describes his, steady rise into the subbass, much like the ie800 (just a little less pronounced) and no noteworthy warmth from mid/upper bass.

 

Anyone interested, please listen to the track below. If your pair is tuned like mine, drums will sound off-timbre, hollow and lacking body on the Tenores. I've been listening to this track with a whole bunch of other IEMs (UERM, K3003, Heaven A, M200, GR10, KC06) and every single one of them renders these drums more natural to my ears. Heck, even the IE800, which has more subbass boost, doesn't sound as odd as the Tenores with this track.

 

(Disclaimer: this is a personal impression of my unit, yours may be differently tuned and ymmv)

 

 

P.S. on a whim, I decided to try the front vent mod I've come to love on the FX850. And sure enough, these drums sound noticeably better with it (haven't tested yet how it might affect other frequencies).

 

... My pair sounds full, not hollow and it has decent impact. The only thing i'd say is a little off is attack speed, which might also be how i perceive the existence of sub bass, not all my pairs go that low. I've compared it against 4 iems and 2 cans and attack speed aside i'd say they sound fine. There is also fit, ear canal shape and acoustic perception to consider, but it could also be unit variance. When my 2nd pair arrives i am willing to send you my current one to test if you like. We both live in Europe so it should be an easy process.

 

[EDIT]

If you want a more detailed comparison, the drums reproduction sounds closest to that of the DDMs (with large Senn biflanges) without the added warmth. So tone is a little different but volume and impact are similar.

 

[EDIT2]

 

I just tried your mod, the difference is almost imperceptible to my ears but i think it does remove a hair of sub-bass, improving the perceived attack speed of the drums. Volume and timbre remain the same though. Still, not bad for such an easy mode. Maybe the original "j444" front vents sound even better, where can i order those :D ?


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/12/14 at 3:08pm
post #2643 of 6000
The recessed high bass/low mids on the tenore was something I noticed from the first time I listened to them. What's funny is that the kc06 is just the opposite with the high bass/low mids having a spike and causing them to almost sound muffled when there was a lot of different sounds or volume of noise playing in this range. And opposite of the tenore, they have very little sub bass.

The tenore masks it well because of sub bass, but if I could make a love child of the kc06 and tenore that had a balance between the two in the low end, it would be magnificent.
post #2644 of 6000

I bought another Tenore out of curiosity from the ebay vendor (I bought my first pair from Amazon).  They sound identical to me.

post #2645 of 6000

I decided to do individual tones between 100hz and 4khz in 100 increments. My pair is linear till around 600-700hz. From there it starts gaining very slowly till 2khz. Then the gaining rate increases till it reaches a peak at 2.4khz. Volume returns gradually to normal at 3khz and it remains flat till the end of the test. So i wouldn't say it has recessed lower mids, i'd just call it mid forward.

 

Can you guys do a similar test so that we have a more objective base for reference?


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/12/14 at 6:36pm
post #2646 of 6000
Quote:
Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Ok, time domain or not, I think I've finally been able to put my finger on what's bugging me. My pair sounds every inch as vwinter describes his, steady rise into the subbass, much like the ie800 (just a little less pronounced) and no noteworthy warmth from mid/upper bass.

 

Anyone interested, please listen to the track below. If your pair is tuned like mine, drums will sound off-timbre, hollow and lacking body on the Tenores. I've been listening to this track with a whole bunch of other IEMs (UERM, K3003, Heaven A, M200, GR10, KC06) and every single one of them renders these drums more natural to my ears. Heck, even the IE800, which has more subbass boost, doesn't sound as odd as the Tenores with this track.

 

(Disclaimer: this is a personal impression of my unit, yours may be differently tuned and ymmv)

 

 

P.S. on a whim, I decided to try the front vent mod I've come to love on the FX850. And sure enough, these drums sound noticeably better with it (haven't tested yet how it might affect other frequencies).

 

OK I've tried that on my Tenore and compared it to the following IEM: KC06, Heaven V, ASG-2, XBA-3, X10 & GR07.

 

I found that the Tenore & KC06 bass was sounding very similar and yes their timbre was of higher pitch (if I can say that) and impact was less compare to my other IEM.

 

The Heaven V is my favorite with that song (very good track by the way. Thank you) The bass is so organic and I was actually surprise that it hit harder then my ASG-2.

post #2647 of 6000
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post

I decided to do individual tones between 100hz and 4khz in 100 increments. My pair is linear till around 600-700hz. From there it starts gaining till it reaches a peak at 2.5khz. Volume returns to normal at 3khz and it remains flat till the end of the test. So i wouldn't say it has recessed lower mids, i'd just call it mid forward.

Can you guys do a similar test so that we have a more objective base for reference?

Interesting. I remember doing the same test and finding that at least 500Hz (and iirc lower) sounded about the same volume as 3k. When I get mine back I'll repeat the test with more increments. Maybe luisdent can repeat the experiment with my pairs.

Also James, as per the sub-bass emphasis on your set, I didn't experience that with tones. Bass was very linear, dropping off only slightly under 50 or so Hz, and more noticeably under 30Hz, but still audible.
post #2648 of 6000
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Interesting. I remember doing the same test and finding that at least 500Hz (and iirc lower) sounded about the same volume as 3k. When I get mine back I'll repeat the test with more increments. Maybe luisdent can repeat the experiment with my pairs.

Also James, as per the sub-bass emphasis on your set, I didn't experience that with tones. Bass was very linear, dropping off only slightly under 50 or so Hz, and more noticeably under 30Hz, but still audible.

 

It may have to do with relative volume perception. Test tones are individual sounds, music covers a lot of frequencies at the same time and it might be messing with our spatial perception. The gain in the midrange is probably intended for imaging, so our brain might expect bass to be "farther away" than it actually sounds. This may explain the perceived slope in the lower mids and the perceived lift in the bass. So James' front vent corrects this imaging problem by continuing the slope from the mids to the lows.

 

[EDIT]

I used a different flange for my 2nd attempt (the first one was extremely thin) and now the medium default flanges with the j444™ treatment sound better to my ears than the rest of my tips and that includes the Senn biflanges. Give it a try.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/12/14 at 4:33pm
post #2649 of 6000

Is it just me, or is the Tenore basically an Etymotic, minus the annoying 2k spike, plus a soundstage and actual bass?

post #2650 of 6000

Btw, I'm in the initial stages of A/B'ing the Tenore with the FX850 and the XBA-H3.

 

I prefer the Tenore.

 

This is a masterfully tuned phone. I just wish the Ostry was around for me to compare too.

post #2651 of 6000
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

 

This is a masterfully tuned phone. I just wish the Ostry was around for me to compare too.

 

The Tenore is better!!! 

post #2652 of 6000
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Originally Posted by mikaveli06 View Post

tracking says they will be in tommarrow.
good thing about zero audio, u can get basso and tenore without breaking the bank. Im a bass lover, but tenore is much better than basso imo. Ive heard 3 different offerings and like them all. I will have singolos tommarrow, and I have feeling they may be my favorite of the bunch

 

I take it since you put the Singolo up for sale the day you received them that there was no clear favorite for you among the Zero Audio IEMs?


Edited by PeterDLai - 6/12/14 at 5:59pm
post #2653 of 6000
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

Is it just me, or is the Tenore basically an Etymotic, minus the annoying 2k spike, plus a soundstage and actual bass?

 

I used to own an er6i (my first good iem) and i found it excessively bright, sibilant and thin. There was no subbass whatsoever and the bass in general rolled off too early. The soundstage was indeed the size of a big dot. The er4s should be a lot better though, it probably sounds closer to the Tenores. Nevertheless, my biggest complain by far with the er6i was the fit, it was literally painful. To prove that i never learn from my mistakes i later purchased the Superfi 5 Pro and when i broke it (what a joyous day it was) the Radius DDM. So i've learned to appreciate comfort and fit the hard way :tongue_smile:.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/12/14 at 5:45pm
post #2654 of 6000
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post
 

 

The Tenore is better!!! 

 

Comparing to KC06 or KC06A?  I'm actually thinking about getting both, just for comparison with everything else I have.

post #2655 of 6000
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

 

Comparing to KC06 or KC06A?  I'm actually thinking about getting both, just for comparison with everything else I have.

 

Compared to the KC06...

 

 

...but I enjoy listening to both the Ostry and the Zero Audio.  

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