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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (281)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (98)
    Carbo Basso
379 Total Votes  
post #2626 of 5986

Just like to share some personal experience with the Tenore. I received my set about a week ago and was really anticipating to found out if my pair was of the "Bass" or "Flat" version as per many comments on this thread. Well on my first listening session I was pretty happy with the sound until I tried a song that I like a lot. The song is from Anathema Hindsight album - Leave No Trace. The song have a good acoustic drum bass impact and the Tenore connected on my iPad reproduce that bass somewhat to elevated that it was messing the balance of the song.

 

 

So I decided to let them burn for about 3 days and today I tried the same song on the iPad and to my surprised the reproduction was much better. The bass drum is present with good impact but it doesn't sound overloaded anymore and they entire presentation is balanced from low to mid to high.

 

Also today I heard the driver flex noise (left side only) for the first time. didn't have any before burn-in. I'm using the Heir Audio grey&red tips.

 

So far for ~$60 I'm pretty happy with the performance of this Zero Audio product.

post #2627 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

Curiosity killed the wallet again evil_smiley.gif    ( I am sorry Peter123, this time I did it :P )

Hopefully only 56USD  wink.gif



The little thing on the left is a gift from the Japan ebay seller (toktyofreaks23). Nice idea. Coincidence: Candies are named as little twin stars (I have twin daughters) tongue.gif
Only 8 days to receive them (from JP to Turkey). Unbelievable! Highly recommended Tenore seller!


Out of the box: No driver flex, very linear sound, wide soundstage with good depth (some very slight emphasis on the sub sub bass region). According to what I have learned from this thread my pair should have the typical linear Tenore sound. Doesn't have any of the before-mentioned problems.

I haven't heard a phone sounding this close to Havi B3 Pro1 before. Although B3 is more clear and more linear (but I haven't burned-in my Tenore yet, also I will try some other tips).

Promising sound, lets see how it evolves...  beerchug.gif

Why am I not surprised wink.gif

Good to hear that you like them. I think they're good but I prefer the B3's with quite some margin.
post #2628 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post
 

Just like to share some personal experience with the Tenore. I received my set about a week ago and was really anticipating to found out if my pair was of the "Bass" or "Flat" version as per many comments on this thread. Well on my first listening session I was pretty happy with the sound until I tried a song that I like a lot. The song is from Anathema Hindsight album - Leave No Trace. The song have a good acoustic drum bass impact and the Tenore connected on my iPad reproduce that bass somewhat to elevated that it was messing the balance of the song.

 

 

So I decided to let them burn for about 3 days and today I tried the same song on the iPad and to my surprised the reproduction was much better. The bass drum is present with good impact but it doesn't sound overloaded anymore and they entire presentation is balanced from low to mid to high.

 

Also today I heard the driver flex noise (left side only) for the first time. didn't have any before burn-in. I'm using the Heir Audio grey&red tips.

 

So far for ~$60 I'm pretty happy with the performance of this Zero Audio product.

 

As a fellow Anathema fan i recommend you to try listening to Shroud of Frost with these. It's old, so mastering isn't the best but it has some very airy parts that the Tenore spaces wonderfully.

post #2629 of 5986

Can someone please summarize that "driver flex" problem?

post #2630 of 5986
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 

 

As a fellow Anathema fan i recommend you to try listening to Shroud of Frost with these. It's old, so mastering isn't the best but it has some very airy parts that the Tenore spaces wonderfully.

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My love for the band start from their album "Eternity" when they changed from "Doom Metal" to "Alternative". I'm not a big fan of "Doom Metal" style in general.

 

Cheers  :biggrin:

post #2631 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Twinster View Post
 

 

Thanks for the recommendation. My love for the band start from their album "Eternity" when they changed from "Doom Metal" to "Alternative". I'm not a big fan of "Doom Metal" style in general.

 

Cheers  :biggrin:

 

Eternity is my favorite Anathema album, Shroud of Frost has the same psychedelic atmosphere to it.

post #2632 of 5986
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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post

Why am I not surprised wink.gif

Good to hear that you like them. I think they're good but I prefer the B3's with quite some margin.

They can be a backup pair instead something happens to B3. Light, small and doesn't require an amp. But the strain reliefs are a joke and cable didn't convince me as well.

And soundwise I agree, B3 is ahead...
Edited by Baycode - 6/12/14 at 9:19am
post #2633 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post

They can be a backup pair instead something happens to B3. Light, small and doesn't require an amp.

Good argument, I'll pass it on to my wife.
post #2634 of 5986
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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post

Good argument, I'll pass it on to my wife.

Don't know about you but my gf loves it when I can adequately drive a headphone straight off a portable dap.
post #2635 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Baycode View Post


They can be a backup pair instead something happens to B3. Light, small and doesn't require an amp. But the strain reliefs are a joke and cable didn't convince me as well.

And soundwise I agree, B3 is ahead...

 

Which one has more bass, Tenore or B3?

post #2636 of 5986
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post

Which one has more bass, Tenore or B3?
Tenore has more sub bass by far. Low mids/high bass is tricky but I would say equal because the tenore is almost recessed in this area but the sub bass makes it hard to determine how much. Because of this b3 might be very slightly ahead in low mids/high bass.
post #2637 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Hisoundfi View Post

Tenore has more sub bass by far. Low mids/high bass is tricky but I would say equal because the tenore is almost recessed in this area but the sub bass makes it hard to determine how much. Because of this b3 might be very slightly ahead in low mids/high bass.

Agreed wink.gif Tenore's sub bass hits with more body (or presence). But its not perfectly linear because of this. In comparison you may sense less bass from Havi but its in reality not bass shy, its only linear (with other frequencies). Havi has better detailing and separation on bass as well. It has quality bass. But bassheads should look, elswhere...
post #2638 of 5986
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

Can someone please summarize that "driver flex" problem?

 

check this post:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/597666/explaining-driver-flex

post #2639 of 5986
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Don't know about you but my gf loves it when I can adequately drive a headphone straight off a portable dap.

Lol!
post #2640 of 5986
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

I felt like there was something odd going on in the time domain, but haven't been able to put my finger on it so far.
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

It's just mildly bumped. It's flat throughout the range (Vwinters comments about the treble make no sense to me but oh well). So that small bump gives it that hint of warmth but this can also be manipulated with a seal and the bump is so small to begin with. It's no issue, bass tuning is hard, most iems honestly have poor bass response when it comes to control and authority, you usually have to give up one of the two, this is nicely in between.
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

My set exhibits a steady rise into the subbass, like the ie800. That linear rise creates a coolness to the lower mids.

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Thin, cool, midbass masked by subbass and upper mid bumps, any large drums sound unnatural due to lack of body.

 

Ok, time domain or not, I think I've finally been able to put my finger on what's bugging me. My pair sounds every inch as vwinter describes his, steady rise into the subbass, much like the ie800 (just a little less pronounced) and no noteworthy warmth from mid/upper bass.

 

Anyone interested, please listen to the track below. If your pair is tuned like mine, drums will sound off-timbre, hollow and lacking body on the Tenores. I've been listening to this track with a whole bunch of other IEMs (UERM, K3003, Heaven A, M200, GR10, KC06) and every single one of them renders these drums more natural to my ears. Heck, even the IE800, which has more subbass boost, doesn't sound as odd as the Tenores with this track.

 

(Disclaimer: this is a personal impression of my unit, yours may be differently tuned and ymmv)

 

 

P.S. on a whim, I decided to try the front vent mod I've come to love on the FX850. And sure enough, these drums sound noticeably better with it (haven't tested yet how it might affect other frequencies).

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