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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2581 of 5954
Without definitely ūüėČ
post #2582 of 5954
Got mine today, love the tenore sound.. hope it much better with the burn in..
post #2583 of 5954

Yeah, I really like my Tenores. Better than my Bassos for sure. I'm not missing the bass that the Bassos had as I find the bass on the Tenores to be more than adequate but they have improvements in other areas.

post #2584 of 5954
There seems to be soo much talk on the tenores! Wheres the love for the basso? Im actually interested in trying a pair, i already have the gr07 be and the re400 which are both great and neutral.

Anyone here have any comparisons on the basso? Similar to the monster turbines? Fxd80? ( i only listed those two cause i have those two as well).

That fun sound of the basso seems interesting but as long as its not a sleepy rolled off treble kinda sound. Something in btw the fxd 80s (the exciting treble, maybe a toned down a bit) and the full bodied bass of the turbines (only tighter, maybe a bit punchier)
post #2585 of 5954
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post

There seems to be soo much talk on the tenores! Wheres the love for the basso? Im actually interested in trying a pair, i already have the gr07 be and the re400 which are both great and neutral.

Anyone here have any comparisons on the basso? Similar to the monster turbines? Fxd80? ( i only listed those two cause i have those two as well).

That fun sound of the basso seems interesting but as long as its not a sleepy rolled off treble kinda sound. Something in btw the fxd 80s (the exciting treble, maybe a toned down a bit) and the full bodied bass of the turbines (only tighter, maybe a bit punchier)

I haven't heard the FXD80 in a million years but one thing I'm sure of is that the Basso has less treble and more forward mids and should sound warmer overall. It's a good phone just a little warm for me.
post #2586 of 5954
Bassos are fun, but definately lacking in treble and doesnt have the clarity or depth of soundstage of tenores imo
post #2587 of 5954
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Originally Posted by mikaveli06 View Post

Bassos are fun, but definately lacking in treble and doesnt have the clarity or depth of soundstage of tenores imo

 

Are you getting the Singolo soon?

post #2588 of 5954
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

I haven't heard the FXD80 in a million years but one thing I'm sure of is that the Basso has less treble and more forward mids and should sound warmer overall. It's a good phone just a little warm for me.

Oh dam that sounds pretty good to me. I thought the fxd80s were rather cold sounding.
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Originally Posted by mikaveli06 View Post

Bassos are fun, but definately lacking in treble and doesnt have the clarity or depth of soundstage of tenores imo

Thanks for ur input! Now the question now is whether to just get the basso or snap up both( my wallet's not gonna be happy)
post #2589 of 5954
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Originally Posted by PeterDLai View Post

Are you getting the Singolo soon?
tracking says they will be in tommarrow.

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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post

Oh dam that sounds pretty good to me. I thought the fxd80s were rather cold sounding.
Thanks for ur input! Now the question now is whether to just get the basso or snap up both( my wallet's not gonna be happy)
good thing about zero audio, u can get basso and tenore without breaking the bank. Im a bass lover, but tenore is much better than basso imo. Ive heard 3 different offerings and like them all. I will have singolos tommarrow, and I have feeling they may be my favorite of the bunch
post #2590 of 5954

So what is the doppio? Flatter? Bassier? Somehow better?

post #2591 of 5954
To me, doppio compared to tenores are even more detailed, similar stage. Main difference is bass is faster/tighter, and the bass is flatter (in no way lacking), where tenore has more subbass than midbass. Doppio is equal sub and mid.
post #2592 of 5954
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

I'm kind of hesitant to even post more impressions what with the apparent unit variances. My set probably has a bit of lifted low end if I had to ballpark it.

Like several others have said, they really do sound good with everything, good files, bad files. They excel at metal probably more than any other earphone I've heard since the GR07. Soundstage is very nice, with great depth. Height is where my usual suspects eke out a win in varying degrees, and maybe the last few degrees toward 180.

I'd probably disagree with people calling them warm. Even with boosted bass, it's a very cold and uninviting bass tbh, and the rest of the sound follows that lead. They are on the cool side I'd say.

What I absolutely don't get is people calling them smooth. They are very aggressive and really on the grainier side. The only IEM I own that they are smoother than is maybe the HJE900, if any of you remember that one, which isn't saying much.

Still sound amazing. biggrin.gif
Just some thoughts.

 

My borrowed set has a bit of a lifted low end too. Bass response is similar to the IE800, the Tenores' deep bass being probably a tad less pronounced (bit still noticeably lifted).

 

I wouldn't call them warm either, though there seems to be something odd going on in the low range's time domain that affects the lower mids. Still, there's none of the mid/upper bass emphasis that's typical for warm phones.

 

Mids are very nice and detailed, but fall slightly short of the IE800's mids in refinement and realism.

 

Treble on my unit is most different from your description, no noteworthy grain or aggression, again very detailed and (as far as I can judge ;) extended. Very nice air considering the isolation. Treble note weight is considerably more realistic than on the IE800, which makes it my favorite treble from a microdriver so far.

 

Speaking of microdrivers, I'll probably get flamed for this, but it seems I can smell microdrivers ten miles against the wind for their bass authority. Or lack thereof, to be more precise. ;) It's like those little buggers wanna play with the big boys (lifted low end and all), but ultimately can't. However, this criticism isn't specific to the Tenores, as the much more expensive IE800 fare no better in that regard.

 

After about an hour of A/Bing against the IE800, UERM, KC06, GR10 and (modded) M200, I'd rate the Tenores roughly on par with the KC06 so far.

post #2593 of 5954
I'll rate the Tenore a league above the GR10, that thing is congested.

I personally found the IE800s mids to be slightly recessed with higher pitched voiced, none of that with the Tenore.
I think the microdriver driver thing can partly be expectation bias, you knowing its a microdriver, expect it. Microdriver are small but still of much bigger mass than any BA or MA.

As for the Doppios, I know Shotgunshane had them and he easily prefers the Tenores. ZA is also honest about its treble extension, rating it lower than the Tenores. Being a typical dual BA it's also not going to have the bass extension/mass of the tenores
Edited by Inks - 6/11/14 at 12:20am
post #2594 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

My borrowed set has a bit of a lifted low end too. Bass response is similar to the IE800, the Tenores' deep bass being probably a tad less pronounced (bit still noticeably lifted).

I wouldn't call them warm either, though there seems to be something odd going on in the low range's time domain that affects the lower mids. Still, there's none of the mid/upper bass emphasis that's typical for warm phones.

Mids are very nice and detailed, but fall slightly short of the IE800's mids in refinement and realism.

Treble on my unit is most different from your description, no noteworthy grain or aggression, again very detailed and (as far as I can judge wink.gif extended. Very nice air considering the isolation. Treble note weight is considerably more realistic than on the IE800, which makes it my favorite treble from a microdriver so far.

Speaking of microdrivers, I'll probably get flamed for this, but it seems I can smell microdrivers ten miles against the wind for their bass authority. Or lack thereof, to be more precise. wink.gif It's like those little buggers wanna play with the big boys (lifted low end and all), but ultimately can't. However, this criticism isn't specific to the Tenores, as the much more expensive IE800 fare no better in that regard.

After about an hour of A/Bing against the IE800, UERM, KC06, GR10 and (modded) M200, I'd rate the Tenores roughly on par with the KC06 so far.

Nice impressions. Do you mean the bass sounds less solid on the Tenore than on the UERM or something comparable? I noticed something similar when a/b'ing with the JH13, but that iem has a boost throughout the bass and midbass. I wonder if just using some eq would get them to sound similar, not that I'm sure I'd prefer that. Or is there something else, perhaps time domain shenanigans as you mentioned, contributing to the bass differences?

Just sent my pairs off to luisdent for inspection. We'll see if mine sound the same as his.
post #2595 of 5954
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

I'll rate the Tenore a league above the GR10, that thing is congested.

I personally found the IE800s mids to be slightly recessed with higher pitched voiced, none of that with the Tenore.
I think the microdriver driver thing can partly be expectation bias, you knowing its a microdriver, expect it. Microdriver are small but still of much bigger mass than any BA or MA.

 

I think what I call "authority" isn't just mass-related, as the GR10's MA and particularly FAD's vented BAs fare better than the IE800's (and Tenore's) microdrivers in that regard.

 

Anyway, I'll post a listening example later on... if no one else can relate to what I mean, then it's probably expectation bias.

 

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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Do you mean the bass sounds less solid on the Tenore than on the UERM or something comparable? I noticed something similar when a/b'ing with the JH13, but that iem has a boost throughout the bass and midbass. I wonder if just using some eq would get them to sound similar, not that I'm sure I'd prefer that. Or is there something else, perhaps time domain shenanigans as you mentioned, contributing to the bass differences?

 

From a FR perspective, my borrowed unit's bass seems very solid, but surprisingly it doesn't sound as well defined as it should. I felt like there was something odd going on in the time domain, but haven't been able to put my finger on it so far.


Edited by james444 - 6/11/14 at 1:34am
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