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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2551 of 5960
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

I've had mine for a good hour now rolleyes.gif
Unless there are very significant changes with burn in: FR-wise, these are phenominal. They are however rough around the edges in terms of the tuned the characteristics of the driver, and in that the UERM (and to a lesser degree the JH13) are significantly ahead of these. I don't see these being able to get anywhere near the clarity of the UERM in any way, at all, as just a single example.

But, I am enjoying these a whole lot. Looking forward to spending a lot more time getting to know them.

Good god. I can not wait to hear the UERM now
post #2552 of 5960
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Originally Posted by alpha421 View Post
 

Most of what I listen to aren't current.  Here are the usual artists that make up my playlist: Yo-Yo Ma, Lori Carson, Heather Nova, Mazzy Star, Tori Amos, Joni Mitchell, Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, U2, Billy Joel, Simon and Garfunkel, Bonnie Raitt, Pink Floyd, Joe Satriani, Mad Season, Pearl Jam, The Ramones, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and orchestrated movie soundtracks.  The Tenore sounds great with all genres.

 

You'll probably roll your eyes, but my Tenores are going up for sale as I can't have a similar sound coming from a much more expensive ciem go unused.

 

Are you being serious? If so, this is the first time I have seen someone sell an IEM because it is too good LOL!

post #2553 of 5960
Yeeeeeee😃 I did the opposite 😜
post #2554 of 5960

The hype train is picking up speed again and Mochill has returned to take his rightful place on the driver seat. The only thing we need now is some nuclear fuel provided by James and we will be on board the first train to travel in space (Machete already bought his ticket).

post #2555 of 5960
I'm always watching 😉... When my peeps goes astray I'll be back In action 😁😃
post #2556 of 5960
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

Good god. I can not wait to hear the UERM now

Lol, it's not an end all IEM, but the things it does well... Well to put it this way:

The Tenore is beyond satisfying in just about every way. In my opinion, it's a keeper that now has a happy place in my rotation. The UERM, where it excels, will stop you dead in your tracks.
post #2557 of 5960
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

Are you being serious? If so, this is the first time I have seen someone sell an IEM because it is too good LOL!


Yes.  I'm not a iem/can collector or hoarder.  Everything I have and owned could be counted on one hand.  As I stated, if I had purchase the Tenore 1.5 years ago, I would not have spent $900 on my ciem that has a very, very similar sound signature.  That's just me.  In hind site, over the years and money spent here, I wished I would have just purchased the UERM and called it good.

post #2558 of 5960
Why not sell $900 pair instead and get a nice DAP? wink.gif
post #2559 of 5960
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Originally Posted by alpha421 View Post
 

Most of what I listen to aren't current.  Here are the usual artists that make up my playlist: Yo-Yo Ma, Lori Carson, Heather Nova, Mazzy Star, Tori Amos, Joni Mitchell, Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, U2, Billy Joel, Simon and Garfunkel, Bonnie Raitt, Pink Floyd, Joe Satriani, Mad Season, Pearl Jam, The Ramones, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and orchestrated movie soundtracks.  The Tenore sounds great with all genres.

 

You'll probably roll your eyes, but my Tenores are going up for sale as I can't have a similar sound coming from a much more expensive ciem go unused.

 

Good stuff. The tenore rocks at everything.

post #2560 of 5960
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Originally Posted by alpha421 View Post
 


Yes.  I'm not a iem/can collector or hoarder.  Everything I have and owned could be counted on one hand.  As I stated, if I had purchase the Tenore 1.5 years ago, I would not have spent $900 on my ciem that has a very, very similar sound signature.  That's just me.  In hind site, over the years and money spent here, I wished I would have just purchased the UERM and called it good.

 

That's it! This calls for more UERM comparisons by people who currently own one. I can see the resemblance, but again I only heard the universal UERM, and customs have been reportedly different in sound, especially recent ones.

 

I do hesitate in asking for Tenore comparisons though, because of the sound quality inconsistentcy on my end. It's hard for me to be sure what each Tenore really sounds like. 

post #2561 of 5960
V, SGS and music seem to note pretty noticeable changes in treble and bass on their custom fitted UERMs (not nearly as bright/no peaks, and no hollowness). Makes me curious as to whether UE has tweaked recent batches, as James and Anax can vouch for the UERM being very consistent from demo to full on custom.
post #2562 of 5960
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

V, SGS and music seem to note pretty noticeable changes in treble and bass on their custom fitted UERMs (not nearly as bright/no peaks, and no hollowness). Makes me curious as to whether UE has tweaked recent batches, as James and Anax can vouch for the UERM being very consistent from demo to full on custom.
If the uerm is better i'd save up for that bad boy. But i'd need to hear it from people i trust with very detailed impressions of the two,

Not having to fiddle with tips would be worth a good sum to me personally. I wish i could hear the universal uerm at a minimum...
post #2563 of 5960

As I remember it.. my custom fit UERM sounds flatter (more neutral) than the tour demo that James sent around.  My custom fit UERM is less peaky through the upper mids/lower treble and possesses less midbass emphasis than the tour demo.  There has been some speculation (and perhaps even confirmation?) that old UERMs sounded slightly different from newer UERMs.. but by old, I think we're talking about some of the earliest UERMs.. those made around the release of product.  I think UERMs over at least the past year or two have a uniform, consistent sound.  Again, this is all speculation on my part based on what I've picked up in conversations.

 

I wrote some stuff to Idsync in regards to the Tenore vs UERM.. might be useful here:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Comparatively, the Tenore will sound warmer, more laid back, spacious, smooth, and organic.  The UERM will sound more forward, intimate, crisp, bright, and analytical.  The Tenore almost feels like a UERM that's been tuned 'for the masses.'  More specifically, the masses -with very discerning ears-.. and those not requiring the pro monitor sensibilities the UERM was designed for.  Therefore, I find the UERM and Tenore more complimentary than adversarial.

 

I find both the Tenore and UERM wonderfully detailed.. the UERM is sharper, more crystalline, and deliberate about resolution.. while the Tenore is more laid back and unassuming.  BTW.. I popped the Tenores in and listened to a couple of live Sade albums while going to bed last night.. totally awesome..  I was enthralled with how the audience noise (cheers, screams, etc.) imaged on the Tenore.. much better than many $400-$700 phones I've heard.. really really cool.

post #2564 of 5960
Remove the filters and see the awesomeness 😉
post #2565 of 5960
I'm kind of hesitant to even post more impressions what with the apparent unit variances. My set probably has a bit of lifted low end if I had to ballpark it.

Like several others have said, they really do sound good with everything, good files, bad files. They excel at metal probably more than any other earphone I've heard since the GR07. Soundstage is very nice, with great depth. Height is where my usual suspects eke out a win in varying degrees, and maybe the last few degrees toward 180.

I'd probably disagree with people calling them warm. Even with boosted bass, it's a very cold and uninviting bass tbh, and the rest of the sound follows that lead. They are on the cool side I'd say.

What I absolutely don't get is people calling them smooth. They are very aggressive and really on the grainier side. The only IEM I own that they are smoother than is maybe the HJE900, if any of you remember that one, which isn't saying much.

Still sound amazing. biggrin.gif
Just some thoughts.
Edited by vwinter - 6/9/14 at 8:51pm
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