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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2536 of 5954
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

I still have SGS' Tenore, but I haven't posted the comparisons to other iems because I've been under the weather.

 

Did they punch you in the face? :ksc75smile:

 

J/K, get well soon! I'm going to hear these at last, thanks to a very generous winged fellow. ;)

post #2537 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Did they punch you in the face? ksc75smile.gif

J/K, get well soon! I'm going to hear these at last, thanks to a very generous winged fellow. wink.gif

He lives! Looking forward to your impressions.

Also vwinter I'm expecting more from you as well. smily_headphones1.gif
post #2538 of 5954
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post


Got these tips from another set of cheap in-ears, and they are the best fit for my Pistons as well.  Wonder if it's the same as those hybrid TF10 tips?  And, coincidentally these didn't work well with Tenores either.








Mine are a bit blacker, but seems the same shape.
post #2539 of 5954
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

Did they punch you in the face? :ksc75smile:

 

J/K, get well soon! I'm going to hear these at last, thanks to a very generous winged fellow. ;)

:popcorn:

post #2540 of 5954
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

I've thought of a good analogy when considering FR vs other sound characteristics. An iem with good decay and attack but with a bad FR is like an amazing dancer whose routine is absolutely breathtaking, except a major portion of their routine involves punching me in the face. An iem with average attack and decay, but a brilliant FR is like an average dancer whose routine is still impressive but maybe not with the technical nuance of the former dancer. And they aren't punching me in the face, something I consider a plus.

I'm not claiming this analogy works for the UERM and Tenore, but in general it's what I've found to be the case in the audio world.

Lol! I like that.

I have friends who are dancers and I sometimes use audio terms with them when speaking about dance. If I may, I'd like to flip you analogy around a bit and remove just a wee bit of violence:

To me FR is the technique, top to bottom extension, no drop outs, they can do what is needed, no one will tell them they aren't qualified. Then assume a famous dance company has it's pick of dancers, all of Juilliard is knocking down it's door. How does it pick it's crop? The je ne sais quoi, the attack and decay and the dynamics of their movements, their connection with the audience, their personality, how they use their hands. It's not about if they can do a movement, but the lines and the flow, the rhythm that tells the story. Those non-technical things are what sets one dancer apart from another, and to me where earphones shine. Things that the choreographer doesn't have time to try to adjust because a choreographer isn't an engineer.

Now we don't exactly have our pick of technicians in the IEM world. I'm looking at you FR. But, they do come with their own unique attributes and quirks. Me? I'd choose a dancer that engages and mesmerizes the audience over a technician if the technical differences are negligible in the grand scheme of things for the work to be done.

Unfortunately, this is a game of compromises. They made a decision with the Tenore, at an expense, and it's something I respect and understand.

On a side note, speaking of attack and decay, Sennheiser IE800 anyone? Talk about a mesmerizing impulse response graph. It's literally unlike anything else I've seen measured.

Anywho... Back to listening. Don't worry, these are definitely worth the discourse, specifically because of the choices they made.
post #2541 of 5954
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post


Lol! I like that.

I have friends who are dancers and I sometimes use audio terms with them when speaking about dance. If I may, I'd like to flip you analogy around a bit and remove just a wee bit of violence:

To me FR is the technique, top to bottom extension, no drop outs, they can do what is needed, no one will tell them they aren't qualified. Then assume a famous dance company has it's pick of dancers, all of Juilliard is knocking down it's door. How does it pick it's crop? The je ne sais quoi, the attack and decay and the dynamics of their movements, their connection with the audience, their personality, how they use their hands. It's not about if they can do a movement, but the lines and the flow, the rhythm that tells the story. Those non-technical things are what sets one dancer apart from another, and to me where earphones shine. Things that the choreographer doesn't have time to try to adjust because a choreographer isn't an engineer.

Now we don't exactly have our pick of technicians in the IEM world. I'm looking at you FR. But, they do come with their own unique attributes and quirks. Me? I'd choose a dancer that engages and mesmerizes the audience over a technician if the technical differences are negligible in the grand scheme of things for the work to be done.

Unfortunately, this is a game of compromises. They made a decision with the Tenore, at an expense, and it's something I respect and understand.

On a side note, speaking of attack and decay, Sennheiser IE800 anyone? Talk about a mesmerizing impulse response graph. It's literally unlike anything else I've seen measured.

Anywho... Back to listening. Don't worry, these are definitely worth the discourse, specifically because of the choices they made.

 

I like your analogy. I'd like to add though that the technical dancer can adapt to any kind of dance without much issue. The more colorful dancer will enhance synergistic dances but have issues with the rest of the repertoire. To tell you the truth that's what i find so impressive with the Tenores. I've bought iems that cost 4-5 times more than these and they either gave me trouble with some kinds of music or they where a nightmare to fit (most of the time they were a little of both). The Tenore is above average in everything which combined with a most impressive FR is the least amount of compromise i've made with an iem and for the least amount of money too. It's very similar to the GR07 in that regard, and the success of the GR07's recipe is undeniable.

 

As for the IE800 it could fart rainbows and i still wouldn't pick it up. I find their pricing simply unacceptable, do you know how much they ask for a spare cable? The profit margin is already huge for well known companies in this market, if companies like Zero Audio can offer better R&D at a fraction of the price and still be profitable while pushing a fraction of the volume, what Senn does is bordering on leadership abuse. If Senn want to turn their gear into status symbols that's their right, but i don't like it and i tend to vote with my wallet. I loved my HD600s but the IE800 was the reason i decided to search for a replacement by another company when they broke.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/9/14 at 3:19pm
post #2542 of 5954
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Originally Posted by avlad View Post
 


The soundstage is good yes, but everything else about sound is lacking. The bass isn't textured, the mids are a bit recessed and the treble is not even close to the clarity, detail and sparkle I get with sony hybrids. I must be having very different ears as most tenore owners but I still find sony hybrids best tips by far. They add a bit subbass tho, but I like that. Tryed meelec and vsonic single and biflanges, some lunashop tf10 tips, some sennheiser tips, even pistons baby silicone grade tips haha. Wide or narrow bore, they all don't sound as good as hybrids to me.

Did you get the M6 bi-flange?  Meelectronics has a few types.  The one for M2/M9 is the wrong one.

post #2543 of 5954
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Originally Posted by qilto View Post
 

Man, different tips really change the sound on these. Recently I've been using the large Hifiman biflanges with great results. For my ears, a shallow fit sounds much better than a deeper one. A deep fit for me makes the bass bloated and makes everything sounds really closed in.

Yes, that is true.  I think that's why many like the Meelectronics M6 biflange, someone likes the sennheiser biflange, and you like the hifiman biflange.  The biflange without deep insertion moves the IEM farther from the ear, tightening up the bass and making things more balanced and airy.

post #2544 of 5954

FWIW...I always trust my own ears because no one can make any decision for me except myself.


Edited by Francisk - 6/9/14 at 10:30am
post #2545 of 5954
I have decided that theses are not for me ... So I will be putting them up for sale in the next day or so ... If anyone is interested pm.
post #2546 of 5954

Just picked the Tenore from the PO this morning and initial impressions is very positive - very, very positive.  With just the stock tips I have zero comfort or seal issues.  I can see why those who favor the ER4P/F111/4.ai sound signature would really fancy these iems. The Tenore sounds very neutral and balanced to these ears.  I'm assuming my batch is consistent to most impressions, meaning this isn't as bassy as some expressed impressions as it sounds very linear (ordered from amazon.jp).  I wish I could measure these with my 4.A S because they sound extremely similar from top to bottom.  I can see why folks here are stocking up.  These are true gems and an absolute bargain. 

 

If I would have discovered this gem earlier when it was first know here, I would have saved some serious, serious coin.

 

Build wise, I think the cable is fine. Can't complain for the price.  My only wish list is to have the that very small cable stress relief where the wire inserts into the earpieces to extend down a few more mm, or have those stress relief housing found on the Grado GR8/10 iems.

post #2547 of 5954
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Originally Posted by alpha421 View Post

Just picked the Tenore from the PO this morning and initial impressions is very positive - very, very positive.  With just the stock tips I have zero comfort or seal issues.  I can see why those who favor the ER4P/F111/4.ai sound signature would really fancy these iems. The Tenore sounds very neutral and balanced to these ears.  I'm assuming my batch is consistent to most impressions, meaning this isn't as bassy as some expressed impressions as it sounds very linear (ordered from amazon.jp).  I wish I could measure these with my 4.A S because they sound extremely similar from top to bottom.  I can see why folks here are stocking up.  These are true gems and an absolute bargain. 

If I would have discovered this gem earlier when it was first know here, I would have saved some serious, serious coin.

Build wise, I think the cable is fine. Can't complain for the price.  My only wish list is to have the that very small cable stress relief where the wire inserts into the earpieces to extend down a few more mm, or have those stress relief housing found on the Grado GR8/10 iems.

Nice! Enjoying my new pair as well. Just superb balance and tonal accuracy. Even terrible recordings sound great to me on these.

What are you listening to nowadays? I'd be interested in any select comparisons you could make.
post #2548 of 5954

Most of what I listen to aren't current.  Here are the usual artists that make up my playlist: Yo-Yo Ma, Lori Carson, Heather Nova, Mazzy Star, Tori Amos, Joni Mitchell, Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, U2, Billy Joel, Simon and Garfunkel, Bonnie Raitt, Pink Floyd, Joe Satriani, Mad Season, Pearl Jam, The Ramones, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and orchestrated movie soundtracks.  The Tenore sounds great with all genres.

 

You'll probably roll your eyes, but my Tenores are going up for sale as I can't have a similar sound coming from a much more expensive ciem go unused.

post #2549 of 5954
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Originally Posted by alpha421 View Post

Most of what I listen to aren't current.  Here are the usual artists that make up my playlist: Yo-Yo Ma, Lori Carson, Heather Nova, Mazzy Star, Tori Amos, Joni Mitchell, Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, U2, Billy Joel, Simon and Garfunkel, Bonnie Raitt, Pink Floyd, Joe Satriani, Mad Season, Pearl Jam, The Ramones, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and orchestrated movie soundtracks.  The Tenore sounds great with all genres.

You'll probably roll your eyes, but my Tenores are going up for sale as I can't have a similar sound coming from a much more expensive ciem go unused.

Obligatory question...

Also I listen to many of those same artists and agree they sound great on the Tenore.
post #2550 of 5954
Sell you ciem and buy more tenore 😃
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