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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (281)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (98)
    Carbo Basso
379 Total Votes  
post #2491 of 5986
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Originally Posted by caracara08 View Post


I'm using spiral dots which I thought were good with these. Again, impressions out of the box so I guess we'll see when u get back home. It just felt like it was a concave wall around me. Also depends on what types of iems you are coming from vs me.

 

Lol, yes, that goes without saying. I've listened mainly to stuff in the 100-300$ range. No 6 driver BAs or customs for me, the only Answer i've known is 42. Still, i'd rank it close to the DDMs for depth and width and those were known for their out of the head soundstage. I am sure iems in the >300$ price bracket can do better, but as you've said i can only compare it with what i've had experience with.

 

Anyway, i noticed a very big difference going from default tips to senn biflanges. Meelec biflanges are also recommended by many members in this thread. In fact, there were reports that they have better synergy with the Tenores than the spiral dots.

post #2492 of 5986
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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post

@Hisoundfi

I find the modded ax35 to be at least on par with the Tenores.

They've got extremely different sound signatures though (although both being reasonable flat) so it's probably a matter of personal preference.
I never enjoyed the ax35 very much. It just seems like there are entire sections of frequencies missing from them, they lack in detail, and over all they don't have a tuning that is worthy of their asking price. But, this is only my opinion.
post #2493 of 5986
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Originally Posted by peter123 View Post

That's correct. I was rather underwhelmed with them in stock configuration.

Modded I enjoy them a lot.
pm me on how to do this mod please
post #2494 of 5986
Tenores are great, sorry to go off subject
post #2495 of 5986
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Originally Posted by caracara08 View Post
 

 

Very impressive for the price.  Does everything well except for depth of the soundstage.  Width is good though.  Bass cant compete with the DITA or SE846 (my last two IEMs) but is very good for its price.  I'm pretty sure they top any of the budget purchases from the discovery thread for me.  As long as they dont run into the issues everyone else seems to be having, I'll be a happy camper.  Normally, budget options have issues imaging, soundstaging, and separation but these do better than what I have found.  

 

Keep in mind, these impressions are fresh out of the box, maybe about 10 mins on them. I expect the bass to tighten up but I doubt much depth will be added.  Still very enjoyable IEMs.  Thanks everyone for the hype.

Bass of the Tenore cant compete with the DITA? I've read that DITA has lesser bass than K3003 which means K3003... :basshead:

Being a closet basshead I've found Tenore's bass very satisfying, any more would actually be excessive for me. Maybe I got the bass heavier variation of the Tenore from amazon.co.jp and it may tame down after more burn-in.

 

Using ortofon tips for the Tenore

post #2496 of 5986
I'm using comply tips on my dita and the bass is amazing. Great texture. It's like a subwoofer. There are a number of people that gave up on the dita quickly like I did. Then I was told to try foam tips and haven't looked back since.
post #2497 of 5986
Thanks for the quick response!! I've been looking at zero audio on ebay and it turns out they have other models. I forgot the exact names but they have models that range from 80-200$. Has anyone tried these models and if so how do they compare to the 2 models (50-60$) mentioned here?
Thanks.

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post #2498 of 5986
^ lol! You got lots of zero audio learnin' to do!
post #2499 of 5986

I played with the tips a bit more today. MH1 tips give me about 5db more low bass. If I eq them down about 5db at 80hz with a 1.2-1.5q value they sound pretty  much like the stock tips. Great for going out with ambient noise.

 

However, the stock tips are reference, the mh1 tips are not for me. They also take down a small area of the treble. Not sure if it's extension, but there is clearly a drop in some part of the treble by a small amount. Not from the extra bass, but a small narrow dip somehere maybe a few db at most.

 

The mh1 tips are just more comfortable, insert and seal easier, and are easier to wear deep. But the stock tips aren't bad and do sound reference to me. I'm thinking of buying a pack of them. Anyone know where to get the stick tips on their own?

post #2500 of 5986

For those who are having trouble with the pressure seal of the Tenore, this is what I've found to help...

 

Use foam tips that have cores that match evenly with the foam. For instance, the Jays foam tips. Another option is to make your own. Take a Comply tip that fits on the nozzle of the Tenore, then trim down the excess foam until it is level with the inner core. That way, it won't pinch inward and obstruct the nozzle of the iem. You get the full clarity of the IEM with the comfort of foam tips.

 

This is how I've coped with phones that vacuum seal. It should get rid of the reduced volume fit issues many seem to have.

post #2501 of 5986
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

I played with the tips a bit more today. MH1 tips give me about 5db more low bass. If I eq them down about 5db at 80hz with a 1.2-1.5q value they sound pretty  much like the stock tips. Great for going out with ambient noise.

 

However, the stock tips are reference, the mh1 tips are not for me. They also take down a small area of the treble. Not sure if it's extension, but there is clearly a drop in some part of the treble by a small amount. Not from the extra bass, but a small narrow dip somehere maybe a few db at most.

 

The mh1 tips are just more comfortable, insert and seal easier, and are easier to wear deep. But the stock tips aren't bad and do sound reference to me. I'm thinking of buying a pack of them. Anyone know where to get the stick tips on their own?

 

The stock tips resemble Audio Technica tips but they are sorter and have a bigger diameter (the flange, the bore is exactly the same). They sound similar but not exactly the same (i can test them for more detailed info if you like). The stock tips aren't bad, but i find the bass a little flabby and the soundstage a little constricted with them. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

For those who are having trouble with the pressure seal of the Tenore, this is what I've found to help...

 

Use foam tips that have cores that match evenly with the foam. For instance, the Jays foam tips. Another option is to make your own. Take a Comply tip that fits on the nozzle of the Tenore, then trim down the excess foam until it is level with the inner core. That way, it won't pinch inward and obstruct the nozzle of the iem. You get the full clarity of the IEM with the comfort of foam tips.

 

This is how I've coped with phones that vacuum seal. It should get rid of the reduced volume fit issues many seem to have.

 

I just found a forgotten pair of hippo foams, time to experiment!

post #2502 of 5986
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 
QuoThe stock tips resemble Audio Technica tips but they are sorter and have a bigger diameter (the flange, the bore is exactly the same). They sound similar but not exactly the same (i can test them for more detailed info if you like). The stock tips aren't bad, but i find the bass a little flabby and the soundstage a little constricted with them. 

 

Interesting That seems to be the difference with the mh1 to me. The bass on the stock is tighter and clearer, as well as being lower in volume. I think it probably has more to do with how a tip fits someone's ears than the tip itself, other than the size of the hole...

post #2503 of 5986
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

Interesting That seems to be the difference with the mh1 to me. The bass on the stock is tighter and clearer, as well as being lower in volume. I think it probably has more to do with how a tip fits someone's ears than the tip itself, other than the size of the hole...

 

I should have expressed myself more carefully. The MH1 tips are by far the bassiest (4db extra bass indeed) i've tried with the Tenores, i agree with you 100% on this. I didn't like them at all. The default tips are more flabby and constricted than some other tips i've tried, like the senn single and especially double flanges. The green Sony hybrids are a little more open than the default tips but they don't seal well for me. I am waiting for the meelec biflanges to arrive (they will take a lot of time unfortunately) since they seem to be considered the best fit around here. If they are better than the senns i will be very very happy.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/7/14 at 11:05am
post #2504 of 5986
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Originally Posted by twister6 View Post
 

Just to make sure you guys don't miss it, I just posted a link to my full review with some teaser pictures of Tenore and Doppio: http://www.head-fi.org/t/684159/chinese-asian-brand-info-thread-headphones-iems-amps-dacs/3660#post_10612206

 

Good review. I also read your review of the IM50. They are priced similarly. Which do you prefer? Also, what do you think of the IM03 for $200?

post #2505 of 5986
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

Good review. I also read your review of the IM50. They are priced similarly. Which do you prefer? Also, what do you think of the IM03 for $200?

 

IM50 has a massive bass which gets better with burn in, so it's in my "moderate" basshead category.  Tenore has a great detailed warm signature with an amazing soundstage for those occasions when you want to feel like you are in the middle of the concert :)  Doppios are blowing a lid with their reference like clarity and increasing burn in improvement in bass response (but damn, that high sensitivity :().  With IM03 you get strong bass, though less sub-bass in comparison to IM50, and a more detailed and wider sound (in comparison to IM50 as well).  As I mentioned before $200 or whatever less is a great deal.

 

Bottom line, it's so hard to make a decision in choosing one because they all offer something unique.  If you are narrowing to sub $70 price and deciding between IM50 and Tenore - it's comes down to if you want a slamming bass with a tough build-design - IM50 are perfect for working out to get you pumping, to stay in your ears thanks to behind-the-ear memory wire, and to give you piece of mind with removable cables. Or if you want a tiny lightweight piston shells with a detailed warm sound and wide soundstage - Tenore is your friend, though you might need to get an amp to drive those due to low sensitivity.  Personally, if I would have to choose only one, it would be IM50, because of the bass, vocal clarify, and tough build w/RC. With Tenore alternatives, I'm still waiting to receive my KC06 and KC06A (with extra bass, I think "A" might be a better match for Tenore), and also we have an upcoming over-hyped VSD3/VSD5.

 

On a separate note, I have a huge interest in FX-850 to the point where I'm even willing to trade my W40 for a pair of fresh 850 woodies ;)

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