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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2476 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post

Judging by Rin's review, unmodded, the ax35 aren't all that flat. That and their limited bandwidth is what make them sound so different than the dx-200. Modding seems to greatly improve their frequency response though.

That's correct. I was rather underwhelmed with them in stock configuration.

Modded I enjoy them a lot.
post #2477 of 5963
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Make sure you test them with the exact same pair of flanges, The MH1 flanges you where using are the bassiest i've tried on the Tenores. Dynamics are there but they need impact (tighter bass) to be perceived so i'd suggest you do some more tip rolling.

Hm, with my new pair of Tenores the dynamics do seem a little better than my old ones. It's still not great, but it's good enough. The new pair definitely has less bass than the old one, the difference is pretty big. I kind of doubt that the variety of bass quantities is from manufacturing defects, since this seems pretty widespread. Maybe Zero Audio tweaked the frequency response a little.

post #2478 of 5963

Finally one of you guys! I originally purchased from Amazon but the delivery window was too far away so I ordered from amazon.jp and used Tenso. Also ordered some spiral dots tips while I was at it.

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^ Another hoarder ;-)
post #2480 of 5963
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

^ Another hoarder ;-)
You know it must be good if it has a high percentage of hoarding. ;-)
post #2481 of 5963
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Originally Posted by qilto View Post

Hm, with my new pair of Tenores the dynamics do seem a little better than my old ones. It's still not great, but it's good enough. The new pair definitely has less bass than the old one, the difference is pretty big. I kind of doubt that the variety of bass quantities is from manufacturing defects, since this seems pretty widespread. Maybe Zero Audio tweaked the frequency response a little.

If zero audio tweaked the response, then there'd likely be only two different sounds signatures. I've heard at least three distinct sound sigs out of my pairs, and that's being generous. They've ranged from slightly warm to very warm to somewhat bright to reference. The reference pairs are seriously top tier though, so to me it was definitely worth the hunt.
post #2482 of 5963
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^ Another hoarder ;-)

 

haha, no I am shipping the 2nd out to a friend.  Figured if I am ordering from Japan and paying for Tenso, might as well order more.  

post #2483 of 5963
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Originally Posted by qilto View Post
 

Hm, with my new pair of Tenores the dynamics do seem a little better than my old ones. It's still not great, but it's good enough. The new pair definitely has less bass than the old one, the difference is pretty big. I kind of doubt that the variety of bass quantities is from manufacturing defects, since this seems pretty widespread. Maybe Zero Audio tweaked the frequency response a little.

 

Did you test with the same tips? The differences in bass response can be huge with different tips. Their sound can change so much that it might as well be a different phone altogether. My own pair sounds almost boomy with MH1 tips.

 

I doubt they tweaked the driver, some members have older pairs that don't have more bass, the Tenores became well known based on their recommendations. It was probably a bad batch.

 

 

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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

^ Another hoarder ;-)

 

I will soon join him :D. I've ordered another pair and some meelec biflanges to check them out.

 

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haha, no I am shipping the 2nd out to a friend.  Figured if I am ordering from Japan and paying for Tenso, might as well order more.  

 

Not a hoarder then, good for you :P. Could you check for variations in sound before sending the other pair to your friend?


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/6/14 at 4:27pm
post #2484 of 5963
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Finally one of you guys! I originally purchased from Amazon but the delivery window was too far away so I ordered from amazon.jp and used Tenso. Also ordered some spiral dots tips while I was at it.

Impressions!
post #2485 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 

 

Did you test with the same tips? The differences in bass response can be huge with different tips. Their sound can change so much that it might as well be a different phone altogether. My own pair sounds almost boomy with MH1 tips.

 

I doubt they tweaked the driver, some members have older pairs that don't have more bass, the Tenores became well known based on their recommendations. It was probably a bad batch.

 

 

 

I will soon join him :P. I've ordered another pair and some meelec biflanges to check them out.

Yeah, I tested with the same tips. I will try some other tips later, but so far the MH1 tips have been the only tips that have gotten a good seal for me. They definitely don't make the sound boomy for me.


Edited by qilto - 6/6/14 at 4:32pm
post #2486 of 5963
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Impressions!

 

Very impressive for the price.  Does everything well except for depth of the soundstage.  Width is good though.  Bass cant compete with the DITA or SE846 (my last two IEMs) but is very good for its price.  I'm pretty sure they top any of the budget purchases from the discovery thread for me.  As long as they dont run into the issues everyone else seems to be having, I'll be a happy camper.  Normally, budget options have issues imaging, soundstaging, and separation but these do better than what I have found.  

 

Keep in mind, these impressions are fresh out of the box, maybe about 10 mins on them. I expect the bass to tighten up but I doubt much depth will be added.  Still very enjoyable IEMs.  Thanks everyone for the hype.

post #2487 of 5963
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Originally Posted by caracara08 View Post
 

 

Very impressive for the price.  Does everything well except for depth of the soundstage.  Width is good though.  Bass cant compete with the DITA or SE846 (my last two IEMs) but is very good for its price.  I'm pretty sure they top any of the budget purchases from the discovery thread for me.  As long as they dont run into the issues everyone else seems to be having, I'll be a happy camper.  Normally, budget options have issues imaging, soundstaging, and separation but these do better than what I have found.  

 

Keep in mind, these impressions are fresh out of the box, maybe about 10 mins on them. I expect the bass to tighten up but I doubt much depth will be added.  Still very enjoyable IEMs.  Thanks everyone for the hype.

 

Actually the depth is great, you just need different tips. Try some biflanges. They will also help the bass to tighten up considerably.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/6/14 at 4:43pm
post #2488 of 5963
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Originally Posted by caracara08 View Post

Very impressive for the price.  Does everything well except for depth of the soundstage.  Width is good though.  Bass cant compete with the DITA or SE846 (my last two IEMs) but is very good for its price.  I'm pretty sure they top any of the budget purchases from the discovery thread for me.  As long as they dont run into the issues everyone else seems to be having, I'll be a happy camper.  Normally, budget options have issues imaging, soundstaging, and separation but these do better than what I have found.  

Keep in mind, these impressions are fresh out of the box, maybe about 10 mins on them. I expect the bass to tighten up but I doubt much depth will be added.  Still very enjoyable IEMs.  Thanks everyone for the hype.

Did the 846 have more bass than the Tenore? Any other comparisons between the two?
post #2489 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post

Actually the depth is great, you just need different tips. Try some biflanges. They will also help the bass to tighten up considerably.

I'm using spiral dots which I thought were good with these. Again, impressions out of the box so I guess we'll see when u get back home. It just felt like it was a concave wall around me. Also depends on what types of iems you are coming from vs me.
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Did the 846 have more bass than the Tenore? Any other comparisons between the two?

846 had more and better quality was well. I had to step out for dinner so it'd just burning in at home
post #2490 of 5963
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

If zero audio tweaked the response, then there'd likely be only two different sounds signatures. I've heard at least three distinct sound sigs out of my pairs, and that's being generous. They've ranged from slightly warm to very warm to somewhat bright to reference. The reference pairs are seriously top tier though, so to me it was definitely worth the hunt.

And if you are really lucky, you get one pair that does all of that within an hour lol! I'm sure my exchange pair will behave though :-)
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