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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (284)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (99)
    Carbo Basso
383 Total Votes  
post #2461 of 5992

SkiesOfAzel, I also believe in mental burn-in, but I have left them alone for 2 hours with Iso-tec track and then I connected my tenores to clip+ and I hear more treble than I could hear at first audition. I don't think that sound will change too much in future, but right now these iem's sounds acceptable.

post #2462 of 5992

oh, dat tips. I have pulled astotec's tips on my tenores and that's changed everything.Soundstage is bigger and overall attack is better. 

post #2463 of 5992
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Originally Posted by Arnej View Post
 

oh, dat tips. I have pulled astotec's tips on my tenores and that's changed everything.Soundstage is bigger and overall attack is better. 

 

Astotec's tips have a wider bore but they are single flanges. Get some double flanges (they offer better seal with a shallow insertion)  with a wide bore and you will thank me latter ;). 


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/6/14 at 11:42am
post #2464 of 5992
@Hisoundfi

I find the modded ax35 to be at least on par with the Tenores.

They've got extremely different sound signatures though (although both being reasonable flat) so it's probably a matter of personal preference.
post #2465 of 5992
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@Hisoundfi

I find the modded ax35 to be at least on par with the Tenores.

They've got extremely different sound signatures though (although both being reasonable flat) so it's probably a matter of personal preference.

 

Judging by Rin's review, unmodded, the ax35 aren't all that flat. That and their limited bandwidth is what make them sound so different than the dx-200. Modding seems to greatly improve their frequency response though.

post #2466 of 5992

Btw, due to low impedance ax30 is a bit louder, so when I have plugged Tenores at first time I was disappointed a little. But now my mental burn-in seems to be completed and I can listen Tenores at same volume level that I listen ax30.

 

SkiesOfAzel, ok, I'll try to get tips that you have suggested ;)

post #2467 of 5992
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Originally Posted by Arnej View Post
 

Btw, due to low impedance ax30 is a bit louder, so when I have plugged Tenores at first time I was disappointed a little. But now my mental burn-in seems to be completed and I can listen Tenores at same volume level that I listen ax30.

 

SkiesOfAzel, ok, I'll try to get tips that you have suggested ;)

 

The Tenores need more juice to sound good than the average iem. Don't hesitate to crank up the volume. The treble is so smooth that even on higher volumes they don't cause fatigue. You will also appreciate more its dynamics and presentation that way.

post #2468 of 5992
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post

FFS, why are you doing this??? I just got the Tenores today, why are pointing a gun to my head with those doppios? I now have no other choice than to buy them and it's ALL YOUR FAULT. You should be ashamed of yourself. I hate Head-Fi.
Get Doppio and then Singols you won't regret getting them all ZA Phones
post #2469 of 5992
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Get Doppio and then Singols you won't regret getting them all ZA Phones

 

I almost got the Doppios yesterday :P. From descriptions, i don't think i will like the Singolos as much as the Tenores due to their added bass and treble emphasis. The Doppios are an other matter. Similar signature with better detail retrieval and instrument separation sounds nice, but the lack of sub-bass still makes me hesitate. My hearing goes unusually low and when the sub-bass isn't there it's very noticeable to me. I also don't like to use multiple pairs, so i want something that can sound good whether i listen to electronic music with a lot of sub-bass like massive attack, fast metal, acoustic tracks, vocal tracks etc.

 

I don't care all that much about the added treble detail the Doppios offer (i prefer a non-fatiguing sound) but their improved presentation certainly interests me so i will probably get them sooner or later. While i usually don't like ba in those price ranges due to their limited bandwidth, crossover issues and unnaturally short decay, i am very curious to find out what the guy that tuned the dx-200 can make with the technology despite the limitations. I certainly didn't believe that a cheap microdriver could ever sound this good, so i have high expectations.

post #2470 of 5992
Anyone have a doppio graph?
post #2471 of 5992

Just to make sure you guys don't miss it, I just posted a link to my full review with some teaser pictures of Tenore and Doppio: http://www.head-fi.org/t/684159/chinese-asian-brand-info-thread-headphones-iems-amps-dacs/3660#post_10612206

post #2472 of 5992

Ne Obliviscaris is an extreme/avant garde/progressive metal band but this track is not typical metal, even for them. It's instrumental, mellow and very melodic with amazing violin parts. Even those that dislike metal will appreciate it, just give it a try. It's also excellently mixed and produced, so the youtube video doesn't do it justice even when set to 1080p so get it in flac if you can. Still, it showcases the excellent midrange and amazing ambiance the dx200 can produce:

 

post #2473 of 5992
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What about at differing volume levels for you? Some have reported more energy and better dynamics at louder volumes versus lower volumes.

It doesn't help that much. Sure it gets louder, but the dynamics don't really improve for me. 

 

Also, my second of pair of Tenores came in today. The new pair is from woodlandhills and although I haven't heard the new pair for too long, I'm fairly sure that it has less bass than my original pair from Amazon. I don't want to jump to conclusions yet though, so I'll keep listening to them and update my impressions.

post #2474 of 5992
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post


What about at differing volume levels for you? Some have reported more energy and better dynamics at louder volumes versus lower volumes.

It doesn't help that much. Sure it gets louder, but the dynamics don't really improve for me. 

 

Also, my second of pair of Tenores came in today. The new pair is from woodlandhills and although I haven't heard the new pair for too long, I'm fairly sure that it has less bass than my original pair from Amazon. I don't want to jump to conclusions yet though, so I'll keep listening to them and update my impressions.

 

I have no idea why, but it isn't uncommon to get defective or varied products from different stores. I went through a span of a few years where every single tv series I bought from bestbuy on dvd was defective and the discs didn't play, even though they looked normal and my dvd player tested normal. Returned them and the exchanges had defects. I went through 5 or 6 shows in the span of a few years each with at least one exchange, and they all had problems. I ultimately always ended up buying the show from amazon or target or wherever, and I had absolutely no defects. We're talking shows that have 7 discs per season, and not a single disc from any show had defects unless I bought it from my local best buy. That might be coincidence, but it sounds almost exactly like what is happening with the tenores. However, I wouldn't doubt if at least some of the impressions of varying bass were from varying fits, as it is a challenge to get a 100% identical fit under normal circumstances.

 

Same thing happened with a set of binoculars i ordered online. I went through three pairs that were out of collimation, exchange for another model hoping they'd be better. After 6 total pair I switch stores, still online, and i was sent two separate binoculars (they let me compare two at the same time and return the one i didn't want) and they were both perfect. In both situations I was buying known good brands/shows that are not known for bad quality control. Just sayin' it might seem unlikely, but some of these amazon sellers have a decent amount of negative feedback for "bad screens, device didn't work, etc. etc." if you look at them, or else they're newer stores with very little ratings. I personally never buy from a store with either of those situations, including ebay sellers, and I seem to have pretty good luck...

post #2475 of 5992
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Originally Posted by qilto View Post
 

It doesn't help that much. Sure it gets louder, but the dynamics don't really improve for me. 

 

Also, my second of pair of Tenores came in today. The new pair is from woodlandhills and although I haven't heard the new pair for too long, I'm fairly sure that it has less bass than my original pair from Amazon. I don't want to jump to conclusions yet though, so I'll keep listening to them and update my impressions.

 

Make sure you test them with the exact same pair of flanges, The MH1 flanges you where using are the bassiest i've tried on the Tenores. Dynamics are there but they need impact (tighter bass) to be perceived so i'd suggest you do some more tip rolling.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/6/14 at 2:23pm
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