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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2431 of 5963
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I must be a luck b@stard. I have tried the new pairs at least twice each with a few songs selected for bass and treble levels as well as overall balance. This is only a preliminary test, but as far as I can tell, listening intently, every single pair I have is identical. Identical bass, mids and treble. As far as I can tell, you could randomly give me one of my sets and I wouldn't know which one it was...

I'll use them each for a good while. That proves at least one thing. My pair has not change an iota from burn in. At least, again, as far as I can tell with the first listening. I'll give it more time before confidently giving any conclusive impressions. Needless to say, that makes me SUPER HAPPY! :-P I was just praying they all worked, let alone sounded the same. haha

They all have the same crinkling noise too from the drive flex. I know they sound the same, because I'm using the tips I normally use instead of the new tips, to rule out changes in the tips wearing. So far go good.... Gotta go to my kid's school event. Be back later...

NO WAY. That's awesome. Can you buy me a lotto ticket? Because I'm the unluckiest person on head-fi. Maybe because I bought from different sellers I got different batches? These have been in production for a while.

So how much do you want for a pair? Lol. If you'd like I'll send you my reference pair and bass-light pair so you can see what you're missing. Gigashop is accepting my return of the bassy pair thankfully, otherwise I'd send those as well so you could feast on the buffet of variety.
post #2432 of 5963

I'm looking for some nice single flange tips that can be bought on the Interwebs somewhere. Any suggestions? 

post #2433 of 5963
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

I've kept gravitating back to the stock mediums to get more bass. Maybe I'm a closet basshead after all lol. The other reason is because I've been using the tenores to sleep with. With the stock medium tips, when inserted over-ears, I can't feel feel them at all when I lay my head down on the side so they are perfect for that. I won't be able to do that with the MEE double flange tips because they make the tenores stick out of my ears.

 

Having said that, I have them on my tenores now and am going to try an extended listening session and see if it sticks!

 

Yup, the MEE double flangers just aren't doing it for me. I miss the bass.

 

Edit: trying the MEE's again, and I'm liking them now. I think I'm just in a strange mood today lol!

 

Edit2: after a little while of really digging the MEE's, they then started unsatisfactory to me again. It turns out that this was because the right driver started sounding "softer". Not a substantial reduction in volume, but kinda just a softer reproduction of everything. I think that this has been happening a lot and has been messing around with my perceptions as far as tip pairings are concerned. So, it's NOW time to pack these up for exchange!

 

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

For what it's worth, the last few days i've been using the smaller mh1 tips and wearing them pretty much as deep as they go. I seem to get perfect sound and because it's the same depth every time, it only requires a bit of fiddling to get the pressure normal

 

Trying them out now. This is working nicely :)


Edited by waynes world - 6/5/14 at 3:15pm
post #2434 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post

Btw, i was gathering my flanges from the various places i store them and i found my UE flanges which means i don't know what my current flanges are. They might be senn, but then again, they also might be a completely different brand or even a no name replacement :-P. What's noticeably different is the bore, it's a lot wider than that of the UE biflanges and from what i can tell it's wider than that of the meelec flanges as well. The closest thing i've managed to find online for comparison purposes is this, but it's not exactly the same:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-600vi-Double-Flange-Silicone/dp/B00C7OPPW0/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1402001351&sr=8-9&keywords=ultimate+ears+flanges

whatever it is, it sounds better than the UEs (flatter and airier), so i feel i had to correct my initial report.

Looks like Sennheiser biflange, which is what I use.



They're available on eBay.
post #2435 of 5963
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Looks like Sennheiser biflange, which is what I use.



They're available on eBay.

 

Yep, you are right and yes those sound fantastic !

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

For what it's worth, the last few days i've been using the smaller mh1 tips and wearing them pretty much as deep as they go. I seem to get perfect sound and because it's the same depth every time, it only requires a bit of fiddling to get the pressure normal

 

Won't such a deep insertion kill the soundstage? The soundstage is probably the Tenore's best feature. I may just be lucky, but i find it extremely easy to get a seal with biflanges and the sound signature is very persistent.

 

I still can't believe how good those tiny things sound. I haven't pulled them out of my ears since i got them. I don't like to be a hype generator but i honestly don't thing i've listened to an iem with a value < 200$ that sounded clearly better than those. Sure some iems might do better here or there, but they usually lose elsewhere. I also have to stress that i love a neutral, flat sound, sub bass (in reasonable quantities but i want it to be there when it's in the recording) and smooth treble so those things factor in my opinion.

 

IMO Zero Audio is the best thing that has happened to this community since Vsonic and they offer an even better value.

 

[EDIT]

Luisdent, now that you have so many of them, you could send a pair to ClieOS to review it, i am sure he will love them.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/5/14 at 4:13pm
post #2436 of 5963
Sure gnarlsagan, i might consider selling you one pair. I'm hesitant to part with any of them, but maybe just one for you.  ;-)  :-P
 
I wouldn't mind sending clieos a pair. To be honest, he's the reason I ever probably even found them. He pointed me first to the pfe112 which i still have and love, and then the re272. I would talk with him about my impressions and he always knew exactly what to recommend next in my situation. I found these from gnarlsagan's recommendation, but i probably wouldn't have even been interested if I hadn't gone down a journey into neutral earphones.
 
I actually already offered to send them to him a while back when I first got them, it sounded like he was interested but I think he was pretty busy at the time. I also would be glad to send rin a pair or two or three. haha If I ever hear from the man. Then again, I might send him all my tenores and find out he falls off the planet again. ;) hehe. I'd show up at his door. ha
 
As for soundstage, I think it's the same deep "if" you get the pressurization right. For me, the sound is actually pretty consistent at any depth only adding a slight amount of bass when deep, but only when the pressure is equal. The problem is that pressure equalization seems a bit more challenging in the middle for me. Shallow and deep are easier. I prefer the deep fit, because it's so easy to achieve consistently. I can tell every time exactly how deep they are, because they only go so deep. Sometimes with a shallow fit I think they're at the same spot, but I get the slightest treble peak or something, but then i find they just weren't seated fully even though shallow.
post #2437 of 5963
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

That's pretty nice of you man! Rin would certainly be another great target, but then Head-Fi might explode ;). That's interesting about the soundstage and a little unusual for a dynamic. I will try it just to indulge my curiosity since i don't think i want more bass than i get now, it's just right for my tastes.

post #2438 of 5963
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Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

That's pretty nice of you man! Rin would certainly be another great target, but then Head-Fi might explode ;). That's interesting about the soundstage and a little unusual for a dynamic. I will try it just to indulge my curiosity since i don't think i want more bass than i get now, it's just right for my tastes.

 

It might not be "as" good deep, but it's hard to tell, because there's a bit more bass deep. Not much, but it's slightly warmer overall, which might give the impression of less soundstage, but i still hear pretty "deep" into the sound and it is still wide and 3d in essence. But if I had to be critical I'd say I still prefer shallow in every regard except fit and consistency.

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hi all, i've been doing as much reading here as i can but it'd be difficult to comb through nearly 2000 posts, if anyone is still here and using either the tenores or the bassos, itd be a great help

 

especially for those that bought multiple pairs

 

there seems to be some sort of quality control issues regarding the tenores (of the posts i've seen there doesn't seem to be as many issues with the bassos)

 

the impressions really seem all over the place sometimes, has zero audio fixed this issue?

post #2440 of 5963
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post

hi all, i've been doing as much reading here as i can but it'd be difficult to comb through nearly 2000 posts, if anyone is still here and using either the tenores or the bassos, itd be a great help

especially for those that bought multiple pairs

there seems to be some sort of quality control issues regarding the tenores (of the posts i've seen there doesn't seem to be as many issues with the bassos)

the impressions really seem all over the place sometimes, has zero audio fixed this issue?

Seems that your best bet is to buy from woodlandhills_cass on eBay. I'd wait a bit though for luisdent's further impressions just it be sure that his pairs all sound consistent. I've ordered two pairs from woodlandhills_cass, and one is totally reference, and the other requires a deep fit to achieve the same sound. So in my experience it's not a 100% sure thing. I'd avoid Amazon.com sellers, as I received four bad pairs from various Amazon sources.
post #2441 of 5963
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post

hi all, i've been doing as much reading here as i can but it'd be difficult to comb through nearly 2000 posts, if anyone is still here and using either the tenores or the bassos, itd be a great help

especially for those that bought multiple pairs

there seems to be some sort of quality control issues regarding the tenores (of the posts i've seen there doesn't seem to be as many issues with the bassos)

the impressions really seem all over the place sometimes, has zero audio fixed this issue?

Seems that your best bet is to buy from woodlandhills_cass on eBay. I'd wait a bit though for luisdent's further impressions just it be sure that his pairs all sound consistent. I've ordered two pairs from woodlandhills_cass, and one is totally reference, and the other requires a deep fit to achieve the same sound. So in my experience it's not a 100% sure thing. I'd avoid Amazon.com sellers, as I received four bad pairs from various Amazon sources.

 

I've been using one of the new pairs tonight to run it through the paces and make sure it's o.k. and see how it sounds. So far identical.

 

On another note, I just put my er4s with comply back in my ears. Wow. I almost forgot how insane the isolation is on these things. I'm really starting to want to try comply on the tenores just to see what it's like. Can someone tell me which comply series it is again? S200?

 

On another-nother note, I love the er4s, and they are almost better than I remembered, but also even less bass than I remembered (I haven't touched them since my tenore fiasco). Popping the tenores back in after listening to a few songs is like have both ends of my er4s extended further. :-)  Mmmmmmmmmmmm.


Edited by luisdent - 6/5/14 at 8:41pm
post #2442 of 5963
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Seems that your best bet is to buy from woodlandhills_cass on eBay. I'd wait a bit though for luisdent's further impressions just it be sure that his pairs all sound consistent. I've ordered two pairs from woodlandhills_cass, and one is totally reference, and the other requires a deep fit to achieve the same sound. So in my experience it's not a 100% sure thing. I'd avoid Amazon.com sellers, as I received four bad pairs from various Amazon sources.

thank you very much for your quick reply! i'm very interested in these two earphones from zero audio! 

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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

I've been using one of the new pairs tonight to run it through the paces and make sure it's o.k. and see how it sounds. So far identical.

 

On another note, I just put my er4s with comply back in my ears. Wow. I almost forgot how insane the isolation is on these things. I'm really starting to want to try comply on the tenores just to see what it's like. Can someone tell me which comply series it is again? S200?

 

On another-nother note, I love the er4s, and they are almost better than I remembered, but also even less bass than I remembered (I haven't touched them since my tenore fiasco). Popping the tenores back in after listening to a few songs is like have both ends of my er4s extended further. :-)  Mmmmmmmmmmmm.

thanks for chiming in! i will definitely love to hear your final thoughts on them! i guess i'm better off holding out a bit. i'm definitely have high hopes for these guys. been recently starting up a youtube channel to look for these budget gems, to help give the general public that these "lesser known" companies produce fine products (apart from typically known sennheiser, bose, beats).  and that you don't need to sell an arm and a leg to get something exceptional.

 

its a tall task, but i hope i can do what i can to help open some eyes =). i hope it would be okay to  give you full credit you @luisdent as well as the rest of the head-fi community once i get my hands on them and give my take on them. 

post #2443 of 5963
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Seems that your best bet is to buy from woodlandhills_cass on eBay. I'd wait a bit though for luisdent's further impressions just it be sure that his pairs all sound consistent. I've ordered two pairs from woodlandhills_cass, and one is totally reference, and the other requires a deep fit to achieve the same sound. So in my experience it's not a 100% sure thing. I'd avoid Amazon.com sellers, as I received four bad pairs from various Amazon sources.

thank you very much for your quick reply! i'm very interested in these two earphones from zero audio! 

Quote:
Originally Posted by luisdent View Post
 

 

I've been using one of the new pairs tonight to run it through the paces and make sure it's o.k. and see how it sounds. So far identical.

 

On another note, I just put my er4s with comply back in my ears. Wow. I almost forgot how insane the isolation is on these things. I'm really starting to want to try comply on the tenores just to see what it's like. Can someone tell me which comply series it is again? S200?

 

On another-nother note, I love the er4s, and they are almost better than I remembered, but also even less bass than I remembered (I haven't touched them since my tenore fiasco). Popping the tenores back in after listening to a few songs is like have both ends of my er4s extended further. :-)  Mmmmmmmmmmmm.

thanks for chiming in! i will definitely love to hear your final thoughts on them! i guess i'm better off holding out a bit. i'm definitely have high hopes for these guys. been recently starting up a youtube channel to look for these budget gems, to help give the general public that these "lesser known" companies produce fine products (apart from typically known sennheiser, bose, beats).  and that you don't need to sell an arm and a leg to get something exceptional.

 

its a tall task, but i hope i can do what i can to help open some eyes =). i hope it would be okay to  give you full credit you @luisdent as well as the rest of the head-fi community once i get my hands on them and give my take on them. 

 

I don't mean to assume anyone's budget, as I know money can be tight, but for the price I would recommend getting them. No matter what bass variation they may or may not have, I think most people like me and gnarlsagan would probably still recommend them at the price. Where I have four excellent pairs, my hopes are high that perhaps it is more source dependent that one might think. But again, either way, for the price I don't think they can be beat. Second choice would be the mh1 by sony, but i don't think they sound as refined and the cable is crap.

post #2444 of 5963

Anyone know how these compare to Astrotec ax 35? Would really appreciate it. Thanks.

post #2445 of 5963
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I don't mean to assume anyone's budget, as I know money can be tight, but for the price I would recommend getting them. No matter what bass variation they may or may not have, I think most people like me and gnarlsagan would probably still recommend them at the price. Where I have four excellent pairs, my hopes are high that perhaps it is more source dependent that one might think. But again, either way, for the price I don't think they can be beat. Second choice would be the mh1 by sony, but i don't think they sound as refined and the cable is crap.

Would you be willing to let a pair go? After your testing that is smily_headphones1.gif
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