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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (284)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (99)
    Carbo Basso
383 Total Votes  
post #2401 of 5992

When trying to de-pressurize the units, should we be blowing air in or sucking air out?

post #2402 of 5992
Sucking.it out me thinks ūüėĆ
post #2403 of 5992
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Originally Posted by PeterDLai View Post
 

When trying to de-pressurize the units, should we be blowing air in or sucking air out?

 

As I mentioned above: "I did a brief ritual of sucking on the right driver vent hole (sounds bad I know)". That was sucking out (still sounds bad lol!). Also flicking the driver. Seemed to work.

post #2404 of 5992
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

As I mentioned above: "I did a brief ritual of sucking on the right driver vent hole (sounds bad I know)". That was sucking out (still sounds bad lol!). Also flicking the driver. Seemed to work.

They should put a sticker " Some sucking and twackying required " in fine print....lol
post #2405 of 5992
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Originally Posted by Wokei View Post

They should put a sticker " Some sucking and twackying required " in fine print....lol

You never know.. it might help sales lol!
post #2406 of 5992
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

You never know.. it might help sales lol!

I also did this sucking ritual to one of my iem...and my niece was looking at me funny and ran to her mother and told her that uncle was acting funny ....
post #2407 of 5992

Haha...did the same thing to my Phonak PFE022 once when some water got into it and got the same reaction from my little niece....LOL

post #2408 of 5992

Mine still going strong after more than 2 months, no flex whatsoever or any other issues know on wood. I'm using them every day, listening at least 4,5 hours. Also I dont have any issues with seal or fit, I'm walking 20 minutes everyday to my office and they isolate so well on the crowded streets with no need to readjust the fit once I insert them. Maybe the soft silicone from the green hybrids that is glueing inside my ear is helping on that.

post #2409 of 5992

My next buy will be Etymotic ER-4S (I wanted to buy them for a long time) . I do hope that they would be better than tenore and not regret paying that much ;)

post #2410 of 5992

Just got my pair, it seems to be pretty neutral. They indeed go as low as the mh1c but without the extra 9db thank god. The only two things i find a little lacking is the dynamic range and the treble is a little too smooth with default tips (i expected the last part due to bore of the tips thought). I will update with more detailed impressions when i've had more time with it. One thing is certain though, these are clearly better than their price would suggest, in fact it's the best pair under 100$ i've had the chance to listen to.

 

 

[EDIT]

I Just tried some Senn biflanges and WOW, i am aboard the chuchu train :D. I have to get a second pair!

 

[EDIT 2]

To everyone that is sitting on the fence about these, just get them. They aren't great for the price, they are great period. And with a price like this, you just can't go wrong.

 

A few first impressions:

 

These are very light and comfortable. You almost can't notice them in your ears and they offer above average isolation. The cable seems kind of fragile but there are very little microphonics despite the fact i wear them with it going down and not around my ears.

 

The flanges that came with it don't compliment its tuning at all, as they make them sound congested. The difference when using biflanges with a wide bore is huge. The treble opens up, the soundstage depth improves, the bass tightens and the dynamic range improves a lot. A relatively shallow fit with double flanges suits these the best from what i've experienced so far.

 

As for the sound... The Tenores might not have the best driver in terms of purely technical capability but they are some of the better tuned phones i've ever had the joy to listen to. First of all, they are really flat. It's pretty obvious with complex musical tracks but a few sine sweeps confirm this. They are also really neutral, there is no midbass hump or treble spikes with these. There is likewise zero distortion, ever. Believe me i've tried every trick i know :P.

 

The soundstage is another thing these do impressively well. Positioning isn't as pin point accurate as it is on a good ba but it's not that far either, it's fairly 3-dimensional as well. The sense of space between instruments is also above average. Where these excel though is in the depth of their soundstage. It's very rare for an iem that offers good isolation to have so much depth, but these manage to do it remarkably well.

 

Bass:

The bass is very nicely done. It goes really low, it's quick enough to accommodate fast passages and it has enough decay to make everything sound natural. It's neither pronounced nor recessed and it does not roll off. It also has nice impact, hitting hard when it's supposed to. It's perhaps not as textured as the bass of the gr07 but it's close and it goes deeper.

 

Mids:

Here is were the Tenores shine. The mids are not recessed like they were in the case of the MH1 nor are they forward. They offer some great texture to the sound and they are nicely detailed. Guitars and vocals sound great, perfectly spaced and very natural. If you are into metal, these do an exceptional reproduction of brutal vocals. You will notice i don't use words like sweet liquid etc to describe them, that's because there seems to be no coloration going on here. To some this might sound boring but to me it's their best characteristic along with their soundstage.

 

Treble:

It has good extension and there are no spikes to speak of. It lacks the micro detail of certain ba phones mainly because it's not as fast as them, but it's pretty good for a dynamic pair. On the plus side, it never gets hot, but it's airy and it has some nice sparkle when it's there in the recording. There also is no sibilance to be found which is another plus.

 

What makes these excellent is their lack of serious flaws. With iems, even expensive ones, there is usually some kind of compromise, be it a certain part of the fr, or size and comfort. Not so with the Tenores and that's why they are better than the sum of their parts. Frankly, at their current price they are the best buy i've ever made concerning sonic equipment. They are extremely comfortable, they sound great with every kind of music genre there is and their presentation makes their neutral response sound fun and exciting.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/5/14 at 5:28pm
post #2411 of 5992
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

Interesting post. I was wearing them down, and I get a really good seal, but almost too much bass. Wearing them over the ears, and I seem to get less of a seal, and less bass, but overall more balanced. Not sure which way I like more, but yes, they do change their sound easily. And this is only with the stock medium tips lol.

Why did you go back to these from the MEE double flange recommended by the OP?

 

I don't have any fit issues with these tips.  Just put them in and get the same, great sound every time!  Since they are double flange and large, they are shallow insertion and the IEM is farther from the ear canal, creating more air and tighter and less bass.

post #2412 of 5992
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiesOfAzel View Post
 

Just got my pair, it seems to be pretty neutral. They indeed go as low as the mh1c but without the extra 9db thank god. The only two things i find a little lacking is the dynamic range and the treble is a little too smooth with default tips (i expected the last part due to bore of the tips thought). I will update with more detailed impressions when i've had more time with it. One thing is certain though, these are clearly better than their price would suggest, in fact it's the best pair under 100$ i've had the chance to listen to.

 

 

[EDIT]

I Just tried some UE biflanges and WOW, i am aboard the chuchu train :D. I have to get a second pair!

 

[EDIT 2]

To everyone that is sitting on the fence about these, just get them. They aren't great for the price, they are great period. And with a price like this, you just can't go wrong.

 

A few first impressions:

 

These are very light and comfortable. You almost can't notice them in your ears and they offer above average isolation. The cable seems kind of fragile but there are very little microphonics despite the fact i wear them with it going down and not around my ears.

 

The flanges that came with it are simply bad for its sound tuning as they make them sound congested. The difference when using biflanges with a wide bore is huge. The treble opens up, the soundstage depth improves, the bass tightens and the dynamic range improves a lot. A relatively shallow fit with double flanges suits these the best from what i've experienced so far.

 

As for the sound... The Tenores might not have the best driver in terms of pure technical capability but they are some of the better tuned phones i've ever had the joy to listen to. First of all, they are really flat. It's pretty obvious with complex musical tracks but a few sine sweeps confirm this. They are also really neutral, there is no midbass hump or treble spikes with these. There is also zero distortion ever. Believe me i've tried every trick i know :P.

 

The soundstage is another thing these do impressively well. Positioning isn't as pin point accurate as it is on a good ba but it's not that far either, it's fairly 3-dimensional as well. Where these excel though is in the depth of their soundstage. It's very rare for an iem that offers good isolation to have so much depth, but these manage to do it remarkably well.

 

Bass:

The bass is very nicely done. It goes really low, it's quick enough to accommodate fast passages and it has enough decay to make everything sound natural. It's neither pronounced nor recessed and it does not roll off. It also has nice impact, hitting hard when it's supposed to. It's perhaps not as textured as the bass of the gr07 but it's close and it goes deeper.

 

Mids:

Here is were the Tenores shine. The mids are not recessed like they were in the case of the MH1 nor are they forward. They offer some great texture to the sound and they are nicely detailed. Guitars and vocals sound great, but if you listen to metal and like your brutal vocals you will love these. You will notice i don't use words like sweet liquid etc to describe them, that's because there seems to be no coloration going on here.

 

Treble:

It has good extension and there are no spikes to speak of. It lacks the micro detail of certain ba phones mainly because it's not as fast as them, but it's pretty good for a dynamic pair. It's airy, it has some nice sparkle and there is no sibilance to be found.

 

What makes these excellent is their lack of serious flaws. That's why they are better than the sum of their parts. Frankly, at their current price they are the best buy i've ever made concerning sonic equipment. They are extremely comfortable and they sound great with every kind of music genre there is.

 

Funny, I just posted about the shallow fit from Meelectronics bi-flange.  The original poster recommended the bi-flange and I have been recommending it over and over again.  Meelectronics bi-flange, and based on your post, UE bi-flange.  I experienced the same thing; treble opens up, increased soundstage, tighter bass, more airy.  It probably fixes the pressure issue that many are experiencing that are causing channel imbalance as well.

 

I commented before that stock tips and sony hybrid tips take away the airyness from the Tenore.

 

Everyone, buy the MEE bi-flange from the first post or try the UE bi-flange!


Edited by Grayson73 - 6/5/14 at 8:20am
post #2413 of 5992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

 

Funny, I just posted about the shallow fit from Meelectronics bi-flange.  The original poster recommended the bi-flange and I have been recommending it over and over again.  Meelectronics bi-flange, and based on your post, UE bi-flange.  I experienced the same thing; treble opens up, increased soundstage, tighter bass, more airy.  It probably fixes the pressure issue that many are experiencing that are causing channel imbalance as well.

 

I commented before that stock tips and sony hybrid tips take away the airyness from the Tenore.

 

Everyone, buy the MEE bi-flange from the first post or try the UE bi-flange!

 

Yes, with the default tips they sound just like an improved MH1 (less bass more mids) which is still very good for their price, but put them some double flanges and they fly. I have learned not to take head-fi hype seriously, but those are the R0 of their time, except unlike the R0 they don't have any serious flaws. As for the poor MH1, they simply destroy it. More controlled bass with just the right quantity, cleaner, more detailed and more upfront mids and a soundstage and imaging that is on another level entirely.

 

I haven't listened to the HD600 in a few months, but from memory i'd say that the Tenore has a deeper bass, the mids are not as warm and the treble is a little less detailed and smoother. Not the same sound but not so different either. 

 

If you have a deep pocket you can get a better iem for critical listening, but you will have to spend a lot of money to get something that is superior in all fronts. But then, you could get an even better full sized can for that amount of money... As for commuting, i don't think there is a better option out there. Isolation, comfort, soundstage, and an excellent sound that doesn't lack anywhere in the frequency spectrum make the Tenores a no brainer, especially when you consider that you can easily replace them if anything bad happens to them.

 

I am so impressed with zero audio that i am considering getting the doppios. The only thing that stays my hand is the lack of a dynamic driver for the lower end. I will still get them at some point, even though i usually don't like single/dual ba configurations, since the zero audio sound signature is exactly what i am looking for in a phone. It's hard to resist :P. Still what i am looking forward to from them is a dual ba single dynamic hybrid, it should cover every frequency nicely and be tuned to my preferences. It will be glorious when it happens and i will definitely get two of those as well :P.


Edited by SkiesOfAzel - 6/5/14 at 2:32pm
post #2414 of 5992
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayson73 View Post
 

Why did you go back to these from the MEE double flange recommended by the OP?

 

I don't have any fit issues with these tips.  Just put them in and get the same, great sound every time!  Since they are double flange and large, they are shallow insertion and the IEM is farther from the ear canal, creating more air and tighter and less bass.

 

I've kept gravitating back to the stock mediums to get more bass. Maybe I'm a closet basshead after all lol. The other reason is because I've been using the tenores to sleep with. With the stock medium tips, when inserted over-ears, I can't feel feel them at all when I lay my head down on the side so they are perfect for that. I won't be able to do that with the MEE double flange tips because they make the tenores stick out of my ears.

 

Having said that, I have them on my tenores now and am going to try an extended listening session and see if it sticks!

post #2415 of 5992
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

I've kept gravitating back to the stock mediums to get more bass. Maybe I'm a closet basshead after all lol. The other reason is because I've been using the tenores to sleep with. With the stock medium tips, when inserted over-ears, I can't feel feel them at all when I lay my head down on the side so they are perfect for that. I won't be able to do that with the MEE double flange tips because they make the tenores stick out of my ears.

 

Having said that, I have them on my tenores now and am going to try an extended listening session and see if it sticks!

 

In this day and age you shouldn't repress yourself with these things. Do a Tom Cruise, get out of the closet!

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