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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 73% (274)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 26% (97)
    Carbo Basso
371 Total Votes  
post #2326 of 5960
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post

I'm actually looking into the Noble PR, looks pretty interesting with the switching technology...but I won't get rid of my Tenore because it's good enough for my backup IEM

Off topic but the PR was bright with a sizeable treble peak to my ears.
post #2327 of 5960

Did it sound very similar to the tzar350 you auditioned? :wink:

post #2328 of 5960
Thanks for the info gnarlsagan, maybe the Noble 4 or one of the models from FitEar. Heard the Tralucent Audio's Reference 1 is pretty good too but I haven't tried it yet.
Edited by Francisk - 6/3/14 at 7:29pm
post #2329 of 5960

Have you guys got any recommendations as to where I should buy the Tenores or Basso ? Obviously as cheap as possible ;)

Thanks !


Edited by insaniteit - 6/3/14 at 10:14am
post #2330 of 5960
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Originally Posted by alpha421 View Post

Did it sound very similar to the tzar350 you auditioned? wink.gif

The PR wasn't quite as peaky in the treble, and I might say that the PR had a bit more bass, but not much.

On another note I got my sixth (!) Tenore in about 10 minutes ago. I've been able to return three of them, and am currently in possession of three. Anyone following this thread knows that one of mine has a bit too much bass, and the other is a little bass light with a 1-2dB treble peak.

This new set has none of those issues. So far it sounds perfect. Less midbass than my bassy Tenore, and more bass and slightly less treble than my non-bassy Tenore. The Goldilocks pair! Was it worth buying six pairs and paying all that shipping? I think so. If I get channel imbalance again though I'm definitely giving up forever.

Additionally, anyone with a non-bassy (or bass-lacking more specifically) Tenore can try a very deep fit, as in past the second bend of the ear canal, to increase bass response and reduce the small treble peak.

I am very very satisfied with the sound of this current Tenore. I only hope more people are experiencing this particular sound. It's definitely not warm or thin anywhere. There is zero extra warmth in the midrange. Mid-bass is very close to ER4S levels, within 1dB imo. Treble is also as present as on the ER4S, not warmer at all.

Again it's a shame about inconsistency issues, but when the Tenore is good it's the best.
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post #2332 of 5960

Well, after further listening and comparing the KC06 and the Tenore directly, I'm not so sure I still think the KC06 is better.  

 

I don't think the Vsonic is better than the Tenore, while I always though that the GR07 is better than the KC06.   I feel the GR07 is equal to the Tenore -- they just have slightly different signatures, with the Tenore giving you a little more kick and the GR07 being slightly more neutral all around. 

 

GR07 = Tenore > KC06

 

:beerchug:

post #2333 of 5960

Nice thread! I'm gonna order this in a week or two. Can I ask about the eartips? How do I choose? I've only have the Shure comply from the SE215's and I've always avoided IEMs because my old ones kept on falling off. Would these be ok with comply tips too?

post #2334 of 5960
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

 

Yet, you seem to have no desire other than to argue. :-P

 

If you are inferring that I said that you said that... I never said anything about you saying your tenores were bright. Show me that post.


I've read all of your impressions, and you make it sound as though a bunch of other people find them "too smooth". Maybe a few, and I'm not discounting anyone's impressions, but if YOU read a lot of the posts you'll find a lot of people saying they disagree and that the treble is full of detail, "realistic", "natural", etc. I never discounted anyone, including you, for saying yours were smooth when others thought otherwise. But yet, you discount me for saying mine are detailed and reference, when in fact a lot of posters do agree. That's pretty hypocritical.
Honestly though, I find words such as "smooth, realistic, natural" etc can vary a lot based on one preference, heck, even experience. IMO, they are all very subjective terms and while there are general descriptions of these terms, the standard each of us use can vary greatly. I actually will agree with SilverEars that the Tenore is quite smooth though because it doesn't hurt my ears using my personal test track "Dark Tranquility - Punish my Heaven". SilverEars may think the sound signature of HD800 for example, is the standard for realistic, natural and full of detail, then , the Tenore will definitely be "smooth". But if we use the Tenore as the reference, then HD800 will definitely be the opposite of smooth.

And for the specific reason, won't personal taste suffice? While the Tenore is good, I will personally take the Noble 4 over it (out of all the universal IEM I have tried and owned). Oh, I will also take the Phillips SHE 3580 over Shure 846 and IE800 too biggrin.gif but the Tenore is definitely a gem alright.
To some extent i agree. However, that is why we use a reference point. If the hd600 is used as my reference point for instance, something with more treble would be brighter and something with less treble would be muffled or dark, etc. etc. In this way if you've heard the hd600 for instance, you know what to base the description of the other earphone on. Smoothness is harder to classify.

I think the tenore is very smooth, but that's precisely because the frequency response is so flat. You could have a less than ideal treble, but if the bass was very warm someone might find that "smooth". So we need to know the context. For me the tenores are very smooth, but not lacking any dynamics, clarity, micro details, etc. they simply have no major variation in frequency that would detract from the smooth transition from bass to treble.

But of course personal preference matters to, in the sense that all of this should be for us to enjoy our earphones at the end of the day...
Edited by luisdent - 6/3/14 at 3:49pm
post #2335 of 5960
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Originally Posted by minhminh93 View Post
 

Honestly though, I find words such as "smooth, realistic, natural" etc can vary a lot based on one preference, heck, even experience. IMO, they are all very subjective terms and while there are general descriptions of these terms, the standard each of us use can vary greatly. I actually will agree with SilverEars that the Tenore is quite smooth though because it doesn't hurt my ears using my personal test track "Dark Tranquility - Punish my Heaven". SilverEars may think the sound signature of HD800 for example, is the standard for realistic, natural and full of detail, then , the Tenore will definitely be "smooth". But if we use the Tenore as the reference, then HD800 will definitely be the opposite of smooth.

 

And for the specific reason, won't personal taste suffice? While the Tenore is good, I will personally take the Noble 4 over it (out of all the universal IEM I have tried and owned). Oh, I will also take the Phillips SHE 3580 over Shure 846 and IE800 too :D but the Tenore is definitely a gem alright.

 

I also use Punish my Heaven for testing new phones, it's a very demanding song (and DT are an amazing band). How is the dynamic range with this track? Is the Tenore sufficiently fast for it? Do vocals and guitars have good texturing? How is instrument positioning and separation? Thanks in advance!

post #2336 of 5960
HD600 is my personal favorite and my Tenore sure doesn't sound anything like it. I think some posts back I see a comparison between the HD580 and the Tenore. The HD600 has better extension in the bass region even though they both have the same driver
Edited by Francisk - 6/3/14 at 7:53pm
post #2337 of 5960
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post

HD600 is my personal favorite and my Tenore sure doesn't sound anything like it. I think some posts back I see a comparison between the HD580 and the Tenore. The HD600 has better extension in the bass region even though they have the same driver

If I'm unable to return my bassy Tenore then I'll try peeling off the filter like mochill did and report back. I have a feeling it might even out the response a bit for the overly smooth Tenores out there. And I really want to know if there is any foam or dampening material under that filter that I could reduce in order to change the FR.

Luckily I received this absolutely wonderful Tenore that I think sounds much closer to the HD600 with maybe a touch more treble. It's been a while since I've heard those though.
post #2338 of 5960
Good call on the filter gnarlsagan, I find that even though HD600 is smooth and warm sounding but I definitely don't find lack of treble and mid details there.
Edited by Francisk - 6/3/14 at 8:17pm
post #2339 of 5960
How much burn in do you guys have😥
post #2340 of 5960
Mine is burned in less than 20 hours and nothing's changed yet in terms of sound quality. I'll give it a maximum of 100 hours and see. Nope...I haven't given up on my Tenore yet biggrin.gif
Edited by Francisk - 6/3/14 at 8:13pm
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