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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (281)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (98)
    Carbo Basso
379 Total Votes  
post #2281 of 5986
My personal favorite is the Sennheiser HD600 but it's a full size headphone. As for detailed IEMs my current favorite is the Etymotic ER4s and the new generation Vsonic GR07 Classic paired with Phonak grey silicone tips. I've tested the TG334 and although I loved the larger than life sound I still find it far from neutral. Since I'm heading to Tokyo end of July I might just checkout FitEar's other range of IEMs or maybe settle for the new Noble PR. I'm also waiting for Vsonic's new range of VSD series....not sure if it's VSD 5, 6 or 7 which hasn't been released yet. I still haven't made up my mind on which IEM to compliment my faithful ER4s.
Edited by Francisk - 6/2/14 at 7:15pm
post #2282 of 5986
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I've found that the treble frequencies are so smooth that sibilance is nicely masked even on tracks that I'm familiar with that are known to have sibilance. I've checked with some of the past voice over tracks that I've done that are quite sibilant and I've found that the Tenore actually masked them to the point that it's acceptable. That goes to show that the Tenore is amazing for general listening because it evens out the sibilance so that sibilant recordings doesn't stick out as much anymore. For analytical usage, I will not trust them to pinpoint the honest flaws in a recording. Even though with the smooth treble of the Tenore, I find myself wishing that it has a little more extension to reveal the intricate details. Sub bass on the other hand is a tad above neutral and mids slightly recessed.To be fair, I'm already asking too much from something that's priced in the $60 region. Honestly the Tenore is a good IEM and it performs way above the asking price but to be realistic, I shouldn't expect anything more than what it has to offer.

+1 Correct!
Tenore is more for general listening, not for professional use. Not for monitoring of mixing, as it hides imperfection on treble, and the tonality is tilted up on the bass side.
For mixing and audio editing, so far, I found only DUNU DN-1000 with JVC EP-FX8M-B silicon tips has the almost perfect tonality and detail for professional use.  Fitear 334 is also good for pro audio, but too expensive.
-1

I find my set as accurate, if not more accurate than the er4s at everything, including revealing treble flaws and sibilance. It isn't a sibilant iem by nature, because unlike so many others, there are no boosted frequencies in the sibilance range. But if it's on the recording i'm definitely hearing it.

As for cymbals, not only does my set render them perfectly, they stand out distinctly as well as though they're clearly separated.

Everything i'm hearing is completely reference, and equals or surpasses iems i've heard that cost $1000. Again, my set is as neutral if not moreso than the hd series sennheisers. And those are undeniably studio grade, extremely neutral, extremely renowned headphones. And my set is better.

That means one of a few things. You have hearing loss or you simply prefer brighter treble, or you sets aren't the same as mine. But at a minimum, i can say that there are tenores that are every bit as high quality as you say they aren't. :-P haha
post #2283 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post

My personal favorite is the Sennheiser HD600 but it's a full size headphone. As for detailed IEMs my current favorite is the Etymotic ER4s and the new generation Vsonic GR07 Classic paired with Phonak grey silicone tips. I've tested the TG334 and although I loved the larger than life sound I still find it far from neutral. Since I'm heading to Tokyo end of July I might just checkout FitEar's other range of IEMs or maybe settle for the new Noble PR. I still haven't made up my mind yet on what to replace my faithful ER4s.

I agree there, but I know 334 is super senstive to fit.  The stock tips were crap, and I had to look for tips as it was too expensive an investment for me to give on them.  It motivated me to become very familiar with tip material types, and insertion depth as they were very sensitive to distance even.  

 

Depending on all the criteria I mentioned, can give the listener perception of recessed mids or neutral.  The bass can really over take other frequencies if the fit is not right.  Once the I got the fit right, it sounded very good, with textures with great amount of details to my liking.  The bass quantity was high but it was not the mid bass which covers up the details and clarity. It has good amount of subbass to provide the aire.

 

I hope you find the right Fitear as they are just too difficult for us USA customers to get a hold of.  They are just too difficult to get a hold of in general I guess since they make limited quantities.  Well, it's harder for us.


Edited by SilverEars - 6/2/14 at 5:55am
post #2284 of 5986
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I find my set as accurate, if not more accurate than the er4s at everything, including revealing treble flaws and sibilance. It isn't a sibilant iem by nature, because unlike so many others, there are no boosted frequencies in the sibilance range. But if it's on the recording i'm definitely hearing it.

As for cymbals, not only does my set render them perfectly, they stand out distinctly as well as though they're clearly separated.

Everything i'm hearing is completely reference, and equals or surpasses iems i've heard that cost $1000. Again, my set is as neutral if not moreso than the hd series sennheisers. And those are undeniably studio grade, extremely neutral, extremely renowned headphones. And my set is better.

That means one of a few things. You have hearing loss or you simply prefer brighter treble, or you sets aren't the same as mine. But at a minimum, i can say that there are tenores that are every bit as high quality as you say they aren't. :-P haha

+1

 

Smooth doesn't mean undetailed. To my ears the Tenores lack the treble spikes that many other IEMs have. Which means that there won't be any masking effect to reduce detail.

What it's missing is the 'sparkle' that treble spikes can give you, at the expense of detail. Unfortunately people often mistake these treble spikes for detail.

post #2285 of 5986
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I find my set as accurate, if not more accurate than the er4s at everything, including revealing treble flaws and sibilance. It isn't a sibilant iem by nature, because unlike so many others, there are no boosted frequencies in the sibilance range. But if it's on the recording i'm definitely hearing it.

As for cymbals, not only does my set render them perfectly, they stand out distinctly as well as though they're clearly separated.

Everything i'm hearing is completely reference, and equals or surpasses iems i've heard that cost $1000. Again, my set is as neutral if not moreso than the hd series sennheisers. And those are undeniably studio grade, extremely neutral, extremely renowned headphones. And my set is better.

That means one of a few things. You have hearing loss or you simply prefer brighter treble, or you sets aren't the same as mine. But at a minimum, i can say that there are tenores that are every bit as high quality as you say they aren't. :-P haha

If I have a hearing loss then the people who hired me to do Radio & TV commercials and various on location projects must be deaf then since the end product is done with my ears biggrin.gif Oh my....you're sure full of yourself aren't you, Mr Headphoneus Supremus biggrin.gif
Edited by Francisk - 6/2/14 at 6:32am
post #2286 of 5986

Correct me if I'm wrong, there's been some talk about the reliability of iem's from China -- isnt Zero Audio a Japanese company? 

 

 

post #2287 of 5986

I was wondering how these compare to RE-400 if anyone has both IEMs.

post #2288 of 5986
Yeeeeee its Japanese 😋😉😁😍
post #2289 of 5986

So this calls into the question the reliability of iem's made in Japan! 

 

Chinese iems:

Piston's, there were two versions.  Both were good, but the second version was better (2.0 vs "2.1" as we like to call it here at HF).  Packaging had a discernible difference. 

Ostry KC60, also two version.  First wasn't good, sampled by very few but including @bhazard.  Second was and is amazing.  Getting a gold one guaranteed the newer version.

 

Tenore -- At first I thought it could come down to insertion methods, but when flaws are found by owners with more than 1 set, then that draws conclusion that there are either defects or simply entirely different versions of the IEM.  Perhaps we are looking at a situation of Tenore-B vs Tenore-R (for reference?).

 

Edit: I forgot to mention there were also FAKE Pistons, which sounded horrible.


Edited by ebrian - 6/2/14 at 8:18am
post #2290 of 5986

i am hitting 50 hours i believe...

from my android, (to the E18 as an amp)...

playing internet radio...

it is MUSIC to my ears, i could hear the layerings of the bass, 

depth of soundstage is impressive n puts a smile on my face...

lovvvvvvving this tiny little thang.

 

( i know u guys gonna say it is not hi res enuf...yadayada....

but it is good enuf for me at macdonalds to enjoy some samblence of classical music :P )

 

I highly recommend anyone sitting on the wall or barbwired fence to go ahead n hit the BUY button.

post #2291 of 5986
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Originally Posted by ebrian View Post
 

So this calls into the question the reliability of iem's made in Japan! 

 

Although Zero Audio is a Japanese company, their IEMs are most likely all made in China.

post #2292 of 5986
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post


-1

I find my set as accurate, if not more accurate than the er4s at everything, including revealing treble flaws and sibilance. It isn't a sibilant iem by nature, because unlike so many others, there are no boosted frequencies in the sibilance range. But if it's on the recording i'm definitely hearing it.

As for cymbals, not only does my set render them perfectly, they stand out distinctly as well as though they're clearly separated.

Everything i'm hearing is completely reference, and equals or surpasses iems i've heard that cost $1000. Again, my set is as neutral if not moreso than the hd series sennheisers. And those are undeniably studio grade, extremely neutral, extremely renowned headphones. And my set is better.

That means one of a few things. You have hearing loss or you simply prefer brighter treble, or you sets aren't the same as mine. But at a minimum, i can say that there are tenores that are every bit as high quality as you say they aren't. :-P haha

 

I don't use my earphones and headphones for mixing and stuff, but i'm pretty confident to say that my tenores as accurate, the accuracy and realism is just amazing. For casual listening it feels that it could match other IEM with higher pricetags, although i' pretty sure in extensive and more serious listening some IEMs (fitears, cusoms) do performs better. (esp in microdetail department). But all and all i'll say tenores is an amazing all rounder and one of the best iem for casual listening.

post #2293 of 5986

It seems to me that the Zero Audio Tenores are just about like every other earphone out there in this regard; some people are going to like them and some aren't.  For my purposes, I like the Ostry KC06 better than the Tenores, but both are great sounding earphones and really good values for the price. 

post #2294 of 5986
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I find my set as accurate, if not more accurate than the er4s at everything, including revealing treble flaws and sibilance. It isn't a sibilant iem by nature, because unlike so many others, there are no boosted frequencies in the sibilance range. But if it's on the recording i'm definitely hearing it.

As for cymbals, not only does my set render them perfectly, they stand out distinctly as well as though they're clearly separated.

Everything i'm hearing is completely reference, and equals or surpasses iems i've heard that cost $1000. Again, my set is as neutral if not moreso than the hd series sennheisers. And those are undeniably studio grade, extremely neutral, extremely renowned headphones. And my set is better.

That means one of a few things. You have hearing loss or you simply prefer brighter treble, or you sets aren't the same as mine. But at a minimum, i can say that there are tenores that are every bit as high quality as you say they aren't. :-P haha

If I have a hearing loss then the people who hired me to do Radio & TV commercials and various on location projects must be deaf then since the end product is done with my ears biggrin.gif Oh my....you're sure full of yourself aren't you, Mr Headphoneus Supremus biggrin.gif
Speak for yourself.

I know what accurate sound generally sounds like. Obviously there are differing opinions on what perfect reference is, but it is well agreed that the hd600 is a reference headphone. My tenores are as good if not better. Therefore you are saying the hd600 isn't a neutral high quality headphone? Yes or no?

It has nothing to do with being full of myself. I have a set that is this good. Period. If you don't than i can understand your opinion of the sound, but i say that in every post and always speak of the set i have. That's why i say it can only be one of a few things causing the difference in what we hear. How is that full of myself?

You either have hearing loss (i don't, i've recently been tested), or you don't prefer neutrality, which is very common, or you have a set that sounds different, fits different etc.

But to claim your pair is the end all be all description of the sound is pretty narrow in view. It just bugs me that everyone claims that what they hear in they're set is the final word. At least i say that "my set" sounds like this or that. :-p and that means there should be other sets out there that are similar.

Oh well. You can't reason with people who have their opinion already made up. :-P you clearly have something against me from the er4s thread.

I've just been trying to keep the discussion open with the understanding that statistically there isn't much data yet. So why not describe what we all hear and leave it at that. But if i contrast what you hear on your set with what i hear on my set why criticize me like i'm crazy. How do you know what my set sounds like? That's why i've been comparing my tenores to know reference phones. Er4s and hd600? They are widely accepted neutral phones that are held in such high regard by such a large number of users and professionals.

So whether you like the sound of those or not, it gives you a good point of reference to base my description on. Anyway, i'm not going to continue to debate with you. I'm just giving my critique as best as possible with all given factors.
post #2295 of 5986

I have to say, these things have a really good frequency response. Super flat with a slight downward slope. The only thing I wish were better on these are the dynamics, they sound really compressed on the Tenore. This makes the Tenore seem rather lifeless and unnatural sometimes. 

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