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Poll Results: Which one would you order??

 
  • 74% (281)
    Carbo Tenore
  • 25% (98)
    Carbo Basso
379 Total Votes  
post #2266 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post
 

Who said the Tenore is sibilant??? They're extremely smooth maybe a little too smooth :D


That's why I'm getting rid of them ;)

post #2267 of 5986
Well of my two pairs there is one that is smooth and more likely what most people are hearing here. I'm still running them in and taking note of any possible changes. I don't at all believe in the type of burn-in that may be happening on the Tenore (bass lessening noticeably over time), but I remain open to the possibility.

My other pair is notably less smooth. Not harsh at lower volumes, but I could see someone finding them a bit strident if they listen loudly. "S" and "t" sounds are more emphasized than on my smooth pair, and bass is less present. So I could see someone running up the volume to get the desired bass, and then finding cymbals and such to have to bit excess energy. I do this myself sometimes.

Still burning in and still hoping for some improvements. I'll try to throw in some comparisons with some JH, Hifiman and Noble iems later.
post #2268 of 5986
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Well of my two pairs there is one that is smooth and more likely what most people are hearing here. I'm still running them in and taking note of any possible changes. I don't at all believe in the type of burn-in that may be happening on the Tenore (bass lessening noticeably over time), but I remain open to the possibility.

My other pair is notably less smooth. Not harsh at lower volumes, but I could see someone finding them a bit strident if they listen loudly. "S" and "t" sounds are more emphasized than on my smooth pair, and bass is less present. So I could see someone running up the volume to get the desired bass, and then finding cymbals and such to have to bit excess energy. I do this myself sometimes.

Still burning in and still hoping for some improvements. I'll try to throw in some comparisons with some JH, Hifiman and Noble iems later.

That's mine.  :o  What is weird is I remember it being smooth when I first got them, too smooth, and what I heard changed to what you are describing.

 

I guess I have a good excuse to return them and get a refund minus the shipping now.  Oh well, it was fund trying these out, although didn't turn out to be what I wanted.  I think I've given these enough chances.


Edited by SilverEars - 6/1/14 at 1:23pm
post #2269 of 5986
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Well of my two pairs there is one that is smooth and more likely what most people are hearing here. I'm still running them in and taking note of any possible changes. I don't at all believe in the type of burn-in that may be happening on the Tenore (bass lessening noticeably over time), but I remain open to the possibility.

My other pair is notably less smooth. Not harsh at lower volumes, but I could see someone finding them a bit strident if they listen loudly. "S" and "t" sounds are more emphasized than on my smooth pair, and bass is less present. So I could see someone running up the volume to get the desired bass, and then finding cymbals and such to have to bit excess energy. I do this myself sometimes.

Still burning in and still hoping for some improvements. I'll try to throw in some comparisons with some JH, Hifiman and Noble iems later.

 

 

What I'm finding interesting is that when I use my iPad I feel that there there is a little too much bass.   When I plug the Tenore into my Lake People G109 the bass is just about perfect. 

 

Have you played around with amplification?

post #2270 of 5986
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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post


What I'm finding interesting is that when I use my iPad I feel that there there is a little too much bass.   When I plug the Tenore into my Lake People G109 the bass is just about perfect. 

Have you played around with amplification?

Yes, lately I use both my Sansa Fuze on its own and Leckerton UHA760 from my computer. I haven't noticed a difference yet, but I'll definitely check again tomorrow when I have time. I'm not sure how output impedance might affect the sound, but both of those sources have very low OI.
post #2271 of 5986
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Yes, lately I use both my Sansa Fuze on its own and Leckerton UHA760 from my computer. I haven't noticed a difference yet, but I'll definitely check again tomorrow when I have time. I'm not sure how output impedance might affect the sound, but both of those sources have very low OI.

 

 

An amp still will not explain why one unit has more bass than another one (assuming that you are using the same sources for your new and old models)...but I'm still curious at what your findings will be.

post #2272 of 5986
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Well of my two pairs there is one that is smooth and more likely what most people are hearing here. I'm still running them in and taking note of any possible changes. I don't at all believe in the type of burn-in that may be happening on the Tenore (bass lessening noticeably over time), but I remain open to the possibility.

My other pair is notably less smooth. Not harsh at lower volumes, but I could see someone finding them a bit strident if they listen loudly. "S" and "t" sounds are more emphasized than on my smooth pair, and bass is less present. So I could see someone running up the volume to get the desired bass, and then finding cymbals and such to have to bit excess energy. I do this myself sometimes.

Still burning in and still hoping for some improvements. I'll try to throw in some comparisons with some JH, Hifiman and Noble iems later.

That's mine.  :o  What is weird is I remember it being smooth when I first got them, too smooth, and what I heard changed to what you are describing.

 

I guess I have a good excuse to return them and get a refund minus the shipping now.  Oh well, it was fund trying these out, although didn't turn out to be what I wanted.  I think I've given these enough chances.

 

I get that with depth personally. The deeper I insert them the more slightly the bass goes up. The more bass the smoother they sound. I don't know if it's just bass, but they do seem smoother overall. Shallow they might seem more "strident" to some, but I find them accurate at least on my set.

 

Can I ask what recordings you find have emphasized S and T sounds gnarlsagan? And perhaps the volume you are using on the fuze. Maybe we can get a more direct comparison of our two sets by comparing them on the same device at the same volume?

post #2273 of 5986
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

I get that with depth personally. The deeper I insert them the more slightly the bass goes up. The more bass the smoother they sound. I don't know if it's just bass, but they do seem smoother overall. Shallow they might seem more "strident" to some, but I find them accurate at least on my set.

Can I ask what recordings you find have emphasized S and T sounds gnarlsagan? And perhaps the volume you are using on the fuze. Maybe we can get a more direct comparison of our two sets by comparing them on the same device at the same volume?

Great idea. I'll get back with that info tomorrow.
post #2274 of 5986
I'm still burning in my Tenore hoping for some changes although I'm not a firm believer of burn in effects. Maybe the logic behind the burn in effect is due to the fact that Tenore is dynamic driver based unlike BA IEMs which is less receptive to burn in. I've found that the treble frequencies are so smooth that sibilance is nicely masked even on tracks that I'm familiar with that are known to have sibilance. I've checked with some of the past voice over tracks that I've done that are quite sibilant and I've found that the Tenore actually masked them to the point that it's acceptable. That goes to show that the Tenore is amazing for general listening because it evens out the sibilance so that sibilant recordings doesn't stick out as much anymore. For analytical usage, I will not trust them to pinpoint the honest flaws in a recording. Even though with the smooth treble of the Tenore, I find myself wishing that it has a little more extension to reveal the intricate details. Sub bass on the other hand is a tad above neutral and mids slightly recessed.To be fair, I'm already asking too much from something that's priced in the $60 region. Honestly the Tenore is a good IEM and it performs way above the asking price but to be realistic, I shouldn't expect anything more than what it has to offer.
post #2275 of 5986
Oh well fair enough. I agree with everything you said. Great performer for the price.
post #2276 of 5986

Oh boy what did I just put in my ears.
I completely forgot about my IM-70's.

post #2277 of 5986
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Originally Posted by avlad View Post

Oh well fair enough. I agree with everything you said. Great performer for the price.

+1, Francisk comments is spot on!

post #2278 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post

I've found that the treble frequencies are so smooth that sibilance is nicely masked even on tracks that I'm familiar with that are known to have sibilance. I've checked with some of the past voice over tracks that I've done that are quite sibilant and I've found that the Tenore actually masked them to the point that it's acceptable. That goes to show that the Tenore is amazing for general listening because it evens out the sibilance so that sibilant recordings doesn't stick out as much anymore. For analytical usage, I will not trust them to pinpoint the honest flaws in a recording. Even though with the smooth treble of the Tenore, I find myself wishing that it has a little more extension to reveal the intricate details. Sub bass on the other hand is a tad above neutral and mids slightly recessed.To be fair, I'm already asking too much from something that's priced in the $60 region. Honestly the Tenore is a good IEM and it performs way above the asking price but to be realistic, I shouldn't expect anything more than what it has to offer.

 

+1 Correct!

Tenore is more for general listening, not for professional use. Not for monitoring of mixing, as it hides imperfection on treble, and the tonality is tilted up on the bass side.

For mixing and audio editing, so far, I found only DUNU DN-1000 with JVC EP-FX8M-B silicon tips has the almost perfect tonality and detail for professional use.  Fitear 334 is also good for pro audio, but too expensive.

post #2279 of 5986
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Originally Posted by earfonia View Post
 

 

+1 Correct!

Tenore is more for general listening, not for professional use. Not for monitoring of mixing, as it hides imperfection on treble, and the tonality is tilted up on the bass side.

For mixing and audio editing, so far, I found only DUNU DN-1000 with JVC EP-FX8M-B silicon tips has the almost perfect tonality and detail for professional use.  Fitear 334 is also good for pro audio, but too expensive.

 

The TG334 has much more overall bass quantity.

 

Using test tones, for my ears, the Tenore lower treble dip is right at 5k.  The MH1 was measured with a dip around 7k, if I'm not mistaken.  I'll have to compare with these two with test tones to see how similar they really are.

post #2280 of 5986
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Originally Posted by Francisk View Post

I'm still burning in my Tenore hoping for some changes although I'm not a firm believer of burn in effects. Maybe the logic behind the burn in effect is due to the fact that Tenore is dynamic driver based unlike BA IEMs which is less receptive to burn in. I've found that the treble frequencies are so smooth that sibilance is nicely masked even on tracks that I'm familiar with that are known to have sibilance. I've checked with some of the past voice over tracks that I've done that are quite sibilant and I've found that the Tenore actually masked them to the point that it's acceptable. That goes to show that the Tenore is amazing for general listening because it evens out the sibilance so that sibilant recordings doesn't stick out as much anymore. For analytical usage, I will not trust them to pinpoint the honest flaws in a recording. Even though with the smooth treble of the Tenore, I find myself wishing that it has a little more extension to reveal the intricate details. Sub bass on the other hand is a tad above neutral and mids slightly recessed.To be fair, I'm already asking too much from something that's priced in the $60 region. Honestly the Tenore is a good IEM and it performs way above the asking price but to be realistic, I shouldn't expect anything more than what it has to offer.

Francisk which is your most detailed and clear iems with some aire, that provides realistic sounds?  I ask because your impressions line-up with what I'm hearing and you can probably have better recommendations for me.  Mine was like yours initially, and the sound became looser to a set that could not separate cymbal like sound very well, and sibilant for certain recordings, and bass has become very weak.  When the sound was tight, I was surprised how it wasn't sibilant.  And it never did open up for outputing subtle details, it just don't have the capability in my view.  I have little faith in micro driver based IEMs from China now.  :( 


Edited by SilverEars - 6/2/14 at 5:05am
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